£150 f/o hand #1 - Call the SBs shove?

[Cf]

Going to post a few hands from the £150 f/o. I win some of them, I lose some of them. I won't say which, but the point is I'm not being results oriented on them

190 entries. 6000 starting stack and a 30 minute clock.

So, the first hand. We're down to about 3 or 4 tables, with the top 18 (last 2 tables) getting paid. Blinds at this point I think are 800/1600-200.

Villian has just lost a big pot, and has now been shoving any opening he can get to try and get his stack going. After antes has has a total of about 13,000.

It folds to him in the SB, and as predicted he goes all in.

Hero, who is playing a total of about 25,000 has  in the big blind. Your move?

[Longy]

Meh unless you can put him on atc this has to be a fold, i think it is pretty close if he is on ATC.

[George2Loose]

Foldage

[TightEnd]

Half your stack. Fold, no need to take this on, even though your calling range is wide this isn't in it imo

[ZZZZZZZROPE]

indeed fold

[Graham C]

Fold from me too.

[Dewi_cool]

Fold from me too.

[LeKnave]

fold

[Blatch]

simple fold

[MC]

Yeah, definite fold

[Cf]

Ok, general consensus here appears to be to fold. Which is not what I did.

I'll go through my thought process, and would welcome any feedback over whether or not you think my thinking is correct.

Firstly, his shoving range. He was a youngish (mid-late 20s at a guess) player, who seemed to understand the concept of shoving with a short stack to steal blinds/antes. For the previous few hands he shoved any unopened pot he got. So, when it folds to him the the SB he's in a spot where he should be shoving ATC. And I was perfectly happy that he would ship ATC. Maybe it's a bit much to assume he's doing that here?

Given that I decided this though, I've got Q7 which is the average hand in these spots. I just stoved it and it's 51.7% against a random hand. So I'm essentially flipping with his range. I then look at the pot odds. 200*8 = 1400 + 3200 (from blinds) + 11400 from the shove = 16000 in the middle. Costing me about 11400 to call, so i'm getting about 1.4 on a call. Considering I think I'm 50/50 against his range then I quite like this price.

The other factor was of course my stack size. If I call and win then I'm up to >50k. At 800/1600-200 I can start to put this stack to work and improve it. Blinds are soon to jump to 1000/2000-200, then 1500-3000-300, so I need to get something going. If I fold then this is obv bad news, I'm down to about 12k. But I figure this isn't a complete disaster, as I can shove and win a couple of pots to help get my stack back up - I had one of the tighest players I've ever seen to my left, he played about 2 hands in the 3/4 hours i saw him at the table, so his big blind was easy pickings.

So, given I thought I was getting a decent price, the benefits of having a bigger stack, and the fact I think I might be able to somewhat recover if I lose, I decided to make the call. Borderline acceptable, or spew?

[BulldozerD]

I still think it is a fold.

I guess you learnt this from what happened in the Alea Friday night?

[outragous76]

Easy fold - you can jam the next hand if you must against Mr Tighty

You are ONLY doing it because it is BvB, but you are as marginal as it gets!

[AlexMartin]

it might be ever so slightly +EV to make this call. But there are infinitely more +EV spots to use your chips than in this spot imo.

[MC]

It's good that you've provided a logical reasoning for your call, but getting 1.4 with Q7 which has 51% equity against his possible range isn't a good enough reason to call imo.

Q7 just isn't good enough in this spot. Applying your logic, I might bet happy to take him on with K8 or QT...maybe even Q9s, but not Q7....