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Blinds are now 2000/4000-400. We're in the money, but still have 2 tables remaining. Villian moved to the table when the 3rd table was split, so not seen much of him so far. He's sat pretty tight though, and not really seen him play a hand. Playing a stack of about 90,000 he raises to 8,000 from the cutoff. Folds to Hero in the big blind, playing a stack of ~75,000, who has   Your move? |
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 02:32:46 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 03:04:09 PM » |
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hmmm tougher think this is player dependant, as in what % the time u think ure gona get snapped off
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 03:06:21 PM » |
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I prob fold 4's here.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 03:08:41 PM » |
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The very last hand of the night goes to Dewi James, who finds ACES and talks Raymond O’Mahoney into calling his all-in preflop bet of 15k. “If I had AQ, I’d call!” says Dewi. Raymond calls holding pocket 66’s.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 03:12:52 PM » |
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I don't really like shoving, and I don't really like folding.
Is calling an option here? I know it's a bit gross, but it doesn't affect our stack much, we're 18bbs "deep".
Tricky one, all 3 options kinda suck...
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 03:13:50 PM » |
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have we been sat with him long enough to decide he really is tight? if we can put him on a monster here then let's setmine
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 03:22:02 PM » |
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have we been sat with him long enough to decide he really is tight? if we can put him on a monster here then let's setmine
Not really. He's only been on the table for about 30 minutes or so. And action has slowed down quite a bit too. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 03:32:12 PM » |
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I would call
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 03:33:30 PM » |
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have we been sat with him long enough to decide he really is tight? if we can put him on a monster here then let's setmine
Not really. He's only been on the table for about 30 minutes or so. And action has slowed down quite a bit too. 1/2 hours long enough for us to know he's not raising trash every hand. I'm calling |
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 03:49:00 PM » |
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There's 17600 in there already and it's 4k to call with 70k back. I set mine this 100% of the time.
Don't get creative on the flop. Just give up if anything other than a 4 (or 235 / 356 green / blue I suppose) hits the flop.
Folding is out of the question, it's just too ghey.
A question for people who fold:
If you're folding 44 does that mean you're folding as high as 99 possibly? Against a min raise there's not much difference in the hands imo. We're suspecting the min raise means a big hand, unlikely to be 88 or less as these probs just shove. 99 plays the same as 44 against AK or AQ so what do you need to call and also what do you need to shove? Just curious.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 03:51:50 PM » |
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18k in the middle - and 4k for you to call
Shoving seems too much here in a live game - but isnt terrible
I think i flat and set mine - you have an effective 18bb's left so just about got the maths on your side to do it (and the pre flop maths are very favourable) - but being OOP post flop and having no real post flop options if you miss isnt great.
I know that online 3 bet/folding here is terrible - but could you not bump this is to 22k and fold leave 50k behind in a live game - against a tight opponent who might just think that his 88 or AJ is no good?
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 03:58:50 PM » |
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18k in the middle - and 4k for you to call
Shoving seems too much here in a live game - but isnt terrible
I think i flat and set mine - you have an effective 18bb's left so just about got the maths on your side to do it (and the pre flop maths are very favourable) - but being OOP post flop and having no real post flop options if you miss isnt great.
I know that online 3 bet/folding here is terrible - but could you not bump this is to 22k and fold leave 50k behind in a live game - against a tight opponent who might just think that his 88 or AJ is no good?
Is there a smiley face where the guy's being sick all over the place? Jeez man. Live players aren't THAT bad. At this stage you've got to give him at least a tiny bit of credit. He's got through a field of 180ish down to the last 18 so he must know a little bit about poker. Expect to have this raise shoved straight back in your eye 95% of the time imo. Then when he shows AK you are forced to throw up your DTD burger and chips all over the table. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 04:02:49 PM » |
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I think i flat and set mine - you have an effective 18bb's left so just about got the maths on your side to do it (and the pre flop maths are very favourable) - but being OOP post flop and having no real post flop options if you miss isnt great.
why do you care about being oop? we will not have a tricky decision to make on the flop. we're capping the betting pf and we're setmining. either we hit the flop hard and don't particularly care about being oop or we miss and really couldn't care less what our position is. |
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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 04:12:12 PM » |
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Call-fold for me.
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