Call or Fold

[the sicilian]

£300 Live Festival event... 107 Runners..Table breaks moved to a new table...I am one of the big stacks on 40K Blind 200-400 35 runners left

few hands into the new table folded to me in mid position i limp with QJ o/s....folds to the Sb who calls then the BB who i have no info on and has 25K makes it another 2K... I call SB Folds.

Flop J 5 3 Rainbow BB Checks.. I lead for the pot about 5kish ..BB dwells then moves allin for another 18K..

Call or Fold  ....??

[Royal Flush]

Raise pre, then fold pre, never bet the pot with a hand and fold, but i would check flop.

Guess what i am saying is call now but do everything opposite to what you did in the future.

[MANTIS01]

Fold pre. Fold flop and hate yourself for not folding pre.

[ACE2M]

Fold pre. Fold flop and hate yourself for not folding pre.

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[outragous76]

raise pre if you are playing the hand

 check behind to let worse bet out at the turn (and control pot size)

[bolt pp]

raise pre

[GreekStein]

Just don't open limp pots imo.

[AlexMartin]

Raise pre, then fold pre, never bet the pot with a hand and fold, but i would check flop.

Guess what i am saying is call now but do everything opposite to what you did in the future.

lol.

i rate ur game but this is a 100% car crash.

[boldie]

Just don't open limp pots imo.

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[StuartHopkin]

Raise pre, then fold pre, never bet the pot with a hand and fold, but i would check flop.

Guess what i am saying is call now but do everything opposite to what you did in the future.

lol.

i rate ur game but this is a 100% car crash.

Lol you two are well above my level, i agree with flushy at the mo though so need some reasons alex to help me understand where your coming from?

[BulldozerD]

open limping terrible hands like QJo is only going to end in tears

[the sicilian]

Ok Guys.......... in this particular hand I was actually the Big Blind...

I just wanted a little feedback from people whose opinion I would respect...

In my opinion the guy played the hand about as bad as  anyone could..

1. open limp with this marginal....if i played this hand at all i'd be coming in for a raise..

2. im not overly happy about the flat call of another large stack even with position... QJ o/s is like KJ KQ A 10 etc in this position... you could be destroyed pre and end up calling off a lump when you hit

3. I actually mentally kicked myself after this hand as I had no need to play such a big pot as I had chipped up nicely with no hands against a relatively soft table but I could almost smell the guys weakness.. i knew after the flop and the big pot bet he either had nothing and was trying to take it down or he had a weak jack that couldnt stand a re-push...( i had Ak,which i had planned to check fold but he looked so uncomfortable ) and even if he did i still had an escape hatch... Unfortunatley the guy took 1 second to call which meant there was no thought process at all of the hand from start to finish and he like so many just saw top pair....
Lets face it anything remotely genuine had this guy crushed in a pot for 125BB...

In his position after the flop check from me I would check behind and see what the BB done on the turn..this is more a pot control check and im looking to maybe catch a pair of 8,9,10s thinking there ahead but if i get repushed like that i cant find an argument that im in any way in front

This a decent buyin festival event may go some way to the argument of how bad live players are ( as a half live half internet player i have always stood up for the live player )...as a more extreme example in the same tourney, a guy hit a middle pin on the turn v my top set Queens which i checked called hoping to pair the board and take all his money and when the river blanked he actually checked behind me last to act with the stone cold nuts... he was truly awful and  went on to finish 4th for £4k..

[MANTIS01]

Playing devil's advocate here. We know villain is unorthadox straight away, I mean he lands at a new table with chips and uses them to open limp rather than just sitting on his hands for a bit and watching the action. So we already know he doesn't conform to thr rules of good pokers. I agree with your post sicilian but you've made a big move with no knowledge of what this guy's about, so in a way you're just as guilty as him of spewing chips blindly. You've given the rest of the table some quality info at great expense to yourself. You might have smelt a weak hand but does this guy lay down such a hand if you push? You don't know and pushed anyway. Frustrating I know.

[the sicilian]

Totally agree.. Why I kicked myself mentally in the nuts as posted as i left the table.. absolutely no need to make the move as I had a soft table and had chipped up nicely... and i know i would have got him figured out pretty soon by just watching for 2 orbits.. Sigh... never mind as always with this game you continue to learn

[Chompy]

I'm afraid you were out-played and out-thought again