You are the TD. You are Player B.

[TightEnd]

The following occurred in a Live MTT last night.

Whilst I know both of the protagonists well, I'm interested in people's thoughts on the situation and not in flaming individuals. Keep all comments temperate please. What about the TD's reaction and what your attitude would be as the player who wins the hand?

There is 6,000 in the pot and a board reading QQ798.

Player B has 99. Player A is reliably said to have had Q10, though this is hearsay.

Player A checks and Player B went all in for 6500

Player A had 5700 left, one white chip, one purple, two grey in three stacks.

He piled one on top of the other, picks them up said "Oh well, you can't win them all" and pushed his hand forward in mid-air.

That's when Player B turned his cards over. I assume he thinks he has been called

So Player A then pulls his chips back and asks the dealer what his options are.

The dealer insta called for a ruling.

The ruling was given in Player A's favour -  he hasn't called, he can call or fold.


Comments please

[gatso]

sounds fine to me

[Woodsey]

Sound the right ruling given the situation, as he didn't say call or put his chips over the line. If you were there, did it look like player B was deliberately pulling a fast one? If so he shouldn't really be making those kind of comments, having said that its player A's responsibility to check the other guy has actually called before turning his cards over.

[TightEnd]

Sound the right ruling given the situation, as he didn't say call or put his chips over the line. If you were there, did it look like player B was deliberately pulling a fast one? If so he shouldn't really be making those kind of comments, having said that its player A's responsibility to check the other guy has actually called before turning his cards over.

It is assumed to be an Angle Shoot by Player A, though of course a TD cannot know one way or the other

[gatso]

there has to be more to it than you've put or you wouldn't have bothered posting. the ruling is about as straightforward as they come

[MC]

Sound the right ruling given the situation, as he didn't say call or put his chips over the line. If you were there, did it look like player B was deliberately pulling a fast one? If so he shouldn't really be making those kind of comments, having said that its player A's responsibility to check the other guy has actually called before turning his cards over.

^^Agree with this evaluation

[TightEnd]

Nope

Does Player B have the right to feel aggrieved was the other part of the OP, aside from the straightforward ruling

[gatso]

Nope

Does Player B have the right to feel aggrieved was the other part of the OP, aside from the straightforward ruling

no. if you're going to show people your cards halfway through a hand you've got to expect them to make good decisions against you

[kukushkin88]

The pump fake is obviously angle shooting. Hard to punish though, he has broken no rules. A lot of poker players will go to any lengths to improve their chances of winning.

[KarmaDope]

I am the TD: I make the same ruling that the TD in this situation has made.

I am player B: I note that A is an angle-shooter. I tell myself that I now wait for the dealer to ask me to open my hand should I get into this situation again. Sod it if it slows play down.

[Longines]

Nope

Does Player B have the right to feel aggrieved

At his own impatience? Totally.

[gatso]

give player b a penalty for exposing his cards

[GreekStein]

Clarification on what you mean when you say he pushed his hand forward in mid air?

[TightEnd]

Clarification on what you mean when you say he pushed his hand forward in mid air?

He gathered his chips in his hand and put the hand, raised above the felt, over the betting line whilst making his comment

[GreekStein]

Clarification on what you mean when you say he pushed his hand forward in mid air?

He gathered his chips in his hand and put the hand, raised above the felt, over the betting line whilst making his comment

Do Luton not have a rule in place for forward motion.

At some places it's binding as a call, in others he's allowed to now pass.