Am i supposed to open shove here???

[Horneris]

I'd Pass.

[maldini32]

trigg wheres ur post gone from last night?

[Amatay]

do u open jam 77-99 here???

[maldini32]

ofc fishaaaayyy

[kennl]

do u open jam 77-99 here???

raise call with 77-99 that way u get 22-66 to shove on you thinking you might fold whereas if you shove they cant call, you might even get hands like Ax to shove on you as well as in these BIs that kind of thing happens often. If u had a table of regulars thats different and i prob just shove then but with a bunch of unknowns raise call is best...i think

[salfi]

do u open jam 77-99 here???

raise call with 77-99 that way u get 22-66 to shove on you thinking you might fold whereas if you shove they cant call, you might even get hands like Ax to shove on you as well as in these BIs that kind of thing happens often. If u had a table of regulars thats different and i prob just shove then but with a bunch of unknowns raise call is best...i think

i reshipped with kj against a utg raise other day guy had similar stack to wat u have here. . he had aj too so raise call is prob better as people wil spaz worse and your looking for a double up 

[Amatay]

do u open jam 77-99 here???

raise call with 77-99 that way u get 22-66 to shove on you thinking you might fold whereas if you shove they cant call, you might even get hands like Ax to shove on you as well as in these BIs that kind of thing happens often. If u had a table of regulars thats different and i prob just shove then but with a bunch of unknowns raise call is best...i think

what happens when some plum flats? u bet fold or bet call regardless of most board? same with aj or 77 type hands.

[gribbo]

i would find a fold here u still have a decent stack for this stage and have a bit of play left.

[JChapman]

Eight handed, in this particular situation, this must be a shove. In a $55 the average players isoing range of a 16bb stack, eight handed,  will be along the lines of 88+,AQs+,AQo+.  However, there are not many chips on your table so peoples ranges probably tighten up even more.  The average isolation range accounts for 5.6% of hands so you're not going to get called that often and when you do you still will have around 31.12% equity in the hand. Running the hand one hundred times will show a profit. Assume the sb only has called you in this situation.

(using approximations) 6% calling range/33% equity

Times we shove and opponents all fold (94*1000) = +t94000

We get called 6 times and we win twice when this happens ( 4 x -t6625) + (2 x t6375)  = -t26500 +t12750 = -t13750

Therefore we make a profit of 94000 - 13750 =80250 (per 100 shoves)
or +t802.50 per shove.

Folding is obv -t50 per hand.

Even with rough calculations you can see this is a shove. Obv it is a general outline but without definite reads on calling/isoing ranges its hard to give exact caluculations.

[EvilPie]

Our stack still just about has a raise left in it so I can't see a problem with making it about 1k here. It looks strong anyway because you are UTG so you're unlikely to get shoved on or called by anything worse.

If someone shoves then it's pass or snap depending on who's done it and whether you have any kind of info on them. Needs to be very solid info to make the call though.

Against an unknown it's a raise fold for me.

The only reason people don't like raising here is because they hate having to pass AJ when someone shoves. Get over it, it happens sometimes.

[hatthehole]

Eight handed, in this particular situation, this must be a shove. In a $55 the average players isoing range of a 16bb stack, eight handed,  will be along the lines of 88+,AQs+,AQo+.  However, there are not many chips on your table so peoples ranges probably tighten up even more.  The average isolation range accounts for 5.6% of hands so you're not going to get called that often and when you do you still will have around 31.12% equity in the hand. Running the hand one hundred times will show a profit. Assume the sb only has called you in this situation.

(using approximations) 6% calling range/33% equity

Times we shove and opponents all fold (94*1000) = +t94000

We get called 6 times and we win twice when this happens ( 4 x -t6625) + (2 x t6375)  = -t26500 +t12750 = -t13750

Therefore we make a profit of 94000 - 13750 =80250 (per 100 shoves)
or +t802.50 per shove.

Folding is obv -t50 per hand.

Even with rough calculations you can see this is a shove. Obv it is a general outline but without definite reads on calling/isoing ranges its hard to give exact caluculations.

we get called more often than 6/100.  the chance of all 7 villains folding is 0.94^7 = 0.648

we are -6625 the times we get it in and lose but we are +7425 the times we win v sb

Your method of applying maths to a spot like this is a much better solution than just guessing at jam or fold but it think its maybe a little closer than your calculations suggest

[OffTheRadar]

shove > fold > raise-fold > raise-call imo.

[JChapman]

Yeah I can see where I went wrong there.  My bad, will wait at least 3 hours after waking before attempting math next time!

Thanks for pointing it out, will be easier to caluculate more accuratley next time.