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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2009, 02:42:08 PM » |
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isn't that the same thing? Nope. Rehabilitation is to ensure the offender doesn't commit a further crime after they're released. The prevention element is the fact that while they're incarcerated they cannot commit a crime. |
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2009, 03:06:19 PM » |
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Well seeing as this man was pretty much a scapegoat for it and has 2-3 months left to live I dont think its a biggie to get pissed about.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2009, 03:25:01 PM » |
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Ignoring just for a moment the fact that this man would have received better cancer treatment in Scotland than Libya, and ignoring the possibility that he might actually be innocent anyway and also ignoring the ridiculous state of affairs that devolution has left a decision with such far reaching ramifications to a man with a surname synonymous with getting things wrong who was clearly out of his depth here judging by how much he seemed to enjoy the attention (25 minutes to deliver a speech which should have taken 5 minutes and what the fuck is a "higher power") - what pisses me off is how these diplomatic political footballs are so keenly kicked about by so many professional politicians who's only real skill is in buck passing. Brings me out in an awful rash to imagine how much Alex Salmond is enjoying all this.
The US Government and our Government are so keen for us to be behind the "War on terror" but they treat the victims of terror with complete indifference. The families of those 270 victims will now never know who was really to blame for this, no closure. Thatcher let the assassin of PC Yvonne Fletcher slip away, and I'd have far more sympathy with the US's noises at the moment if they hadn't armed the IRA for 25 years and their Government hadn't armed the Taliban in Afghanistan who are now shooting at them and us with their own weapons. Even after 9/11 George Bush snr was helping all his Saudi mates out of the country who could have given evidence.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2009, 04:06:15 PM » |
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Ignoring just for a moment the fact that this man would have received better cancer treatment in Scotland than Libya, and ignoring the possibility that he might actually be innocent anyway and also ignoring the ridiculous state of affairs that devolution has left a decision with such far reaching ramifications to a man with a surname synonymous with getting things wrong who was clearly out of his depth here judging by how much he seemed to enjoy the attention (25 minutes to deliver a speech which should have taken 5 minutes and what the fuck is a "higher power") - what pisses me off is how these diplomatic political footballs are so keenly kicked about by so many professional politicians who's only real skill is in buck passing. Brings me out in an awful rash to imagine how much Alex Salmond is enjoying all this.
The US Government and our Government are so keen for us to be behind the "War on terror" but they treat the victims of terror with complete indifference. The families of those 270 victims will now never know who was really to blame for this, no closure. Thatcher let the assassin of PC Yvonne Fletcher slip away, and I'd have far more sympathy with the US's noises at the moment if they hadn't armed the IRA for 25 years and their Government hadn't armed the Taliban in Afghanistan who are now shooting at them and us with their own weapons. Even after 9/11 George Bush snr was helping all his Saudi mates out of the country who could have given evidence.
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2009, 04:30:09 PM » |
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Do you think the US would welcome someone home like that if they bombed a place in Lbya and ckilled 270 people? I would hope not. The Scottish government is indeed compassionate...I've never heard someone be freed on grounds of compassion. wow.
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2009, 04:46:19 PM » |
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...I've never heard someone be freed on grounds of compassion. wow.
read the thread - why do u think ronnie biggs is out of jail? Anyhow u english should be glad that he was freed under Scottish law and not shipped back to Libya under the UK prisoner repatriation agreement which would have happened otherwise. |
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2009, 04:57:15 PM » |
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Prevention of the offender recommitting (can't see him blowing up any planes before he dies)
a lot more likely to happen once they put him on a plane than if he was still in a cell though |
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2009, 05:13:19 PM » |
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...I've never heard someone be freed on grounds of compassion. wow.
read the thread - why do u think ronnie biggs is out of jail? Anyhow u english should be glad that he was freed under Scottish law and not shipped back to Libya under the UK prisoner repatriation agreement which would have happened otherwise. Is that the repatriation exchange agreement that Kenny MacAskill criticised while actually in the process of repatriating the guy himself? And the one Alex Salmond criticised a couple of years because he felt that Megrahi should not be sent home by Westminster instead he should be sent home by Scotland's judicial process so we can play at being a proper Government and piss Gordon Brown off he should serve his full term in a Scottish prison? |
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2009, 05:19:36 PM » |
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Looks like we're really going to stick it to Libya on this one. Prince Andrew might not visit. In your face Gaddafi.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2009, 06:50:42 PM » |
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Lol at anyone believing this is purely on compassionate grounds. It's a political decision with an attempted cloaking under the compassionate banner. As has been noted on previous posts, it was hardly the most convincing of convictions, which until a day or so before his release was still under appeal. If some of the murmurs surrounding evidence/witness statements and the like to be produced in support of the appeal are true, a lot of embarassment may well have been heading in the direction of both British and US governments. The compassion route taken was an easier option and regardless of what Obama or any Scottish/English/British government official may say about his release, in reality they are secretly pleased that it's basically "case closed" regards appeal and potential embarassment. Personally I think it right he has been repatriated purely on the basis that I believe the conviction to be unsafe. BTW, the British government have a past record of similar, how easily we forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belfast_Agreementone of the provisos: conditional early release within two years of paramilitary prisoners belonging to organisations observing a ceasefire. Not a compassionate decision, purely a political one, they released many (from both sides) responsible for the murder of a few more than 270. And yet they allowed an innocent civilian like Ken Bigley be beheaded instead of giving consideration to the release of female prisoners because "we do not do deals with terrorists!!" Geo |
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2009, 07:05:32 PM » |
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Lol at anyone believing this is purely on compassionate grounds. It's a political decision with an attempted cloaking under the compassionate banner.
As has been noted on previous posts, it was hardly the most convincing of convictions, which until a day or so before his release was still under appeal. If some of the murmurs surrounding evidence/witness statements and the like to be produced in support of the appeal are true, a lot of embarassment may well have been heading in the direction of both British and US governments.
The compassion route taken was an easier option and regardless of what Obama or any Scottish/English/British government official may say about his release, in reality they are secretly pleased that it's basically "case closed" regards appeal and potential embarassment.
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2009, 07:34:39 PM » |
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(25 minutes to deliver a speech which should have taken 5 minutes and what the fuck is a "higher power") -
Yer, been reflecting on this, it's actually pretty serious, even worse than some of the shit Bush came out with. It has to be put in the context of what he goes on to say in the rest of the speech. He talks of the history of compassion of the scottish people but he points out that this comes from our 'faith'. The historical faith of Scotland is christian. So he is passing a judgement, as a member of Government, and justifying his actions by appealing to the faith he says he shares with his countrymen. A judgement passed on a man from a muslim country, who he says god is killing with cancer. wp |
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2009, 07:57:34 PM » |
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Who said God was killing him with cancer?
Did he use those words? Coz that's just silly talk.
Could it have been more of a, he is dying and so soon will be up before God to be judged, kinda thing?
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2009, 08:20:18 PM » |
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It's a jaw dropping thing for him to have said really. He'd probably been watching that film Misery and thought the line, "There is a justice higher than that of man. I will be judged by Him" sounded intelligent and profound. Would like him to explain if there is such a power why the Scottish judicial system needed a trial in the first place if they were so confident God had it covered. Also why God allowed the bombing to take place in the first place and many many many more questions. Really not much consolation here for the Atheists amongst those objecting to this decision that MacAskill is banking on the existence of an omnipotent sky fairy to close this one out.
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2009, 08:23:13 PM » |
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