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« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2009, 12:46:44 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2009, 12:49:37 PM » |
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Why does he deserve a pardon for his crime and why should the current government apologise?
Admittedley the crime in question is a ridiculous one and should never have been an offence in the first place but the fact is that at the time it was the law and he broke it.
I don't deny that he deserves recognition for his achievements but why the pardon for a crime that he commited?
Pardon for making it a crime in the first place, handing down such a severe punishment, and ruining a good man's life perhaps? I agree that it was all very wrong but it wasn't this government that made it a crime or indeed handed out the insane punishment. Perhaps a public acknowledgment of his great achievements and also acknowledgment that he was charged with a crime that in our modern society is seen as perfectly acceptable behaviour. But why the apology? What has anybody today got to be sorry for? They didn't do it. You're splitting hairs Matt. To apologise is to be sorry about something. What harm could it do to vindicate this man and apologise on behalf of your predecessor? Correctly worded then it would be fine. Like when you tell someone you are sorry because they have lost a loved one. You aren't directly apologising for it but you are upset that it has happened and are sorry for them. If this is the sorry that people are looking for then I've no problem at all. This is very different to an apology and I think that is what the OP asks for. |
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2009, 12:50:05 PM » |
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It does no harm to say sorry. ...
What good does it do? Apart from improving the image of whichever prime minister does it (in some sectors)? Why should this issue be used for political ends? |
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« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2009, 12:54:02 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2009, 12:55:52 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. It can also be bad. |
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2009, 12:56:51 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. It can also be bad. 'Tis true. But a change to the way knighthoods and other 'honours' are giving out in this country would be a good thing (imo). |
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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2009, 12:58:20 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. We should be giving out fewer knighthoods, not more. |
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« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2009, 12:59:16 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. We should be giving out fewer knighthoods, not more. Agreed. But that doesn't mean that adding some posthumous knighthoods out to those deserving is a bad thing. |
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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2009, 01:01:24 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. We should be giving out fewer knighthoods, not more. Agreed. But that doesn't mean that adding some posthumous knighthoods out to those deserving is a bad thing. I agree on the basis we give one to Jesus first. |
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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2009, 01:01:53 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. We should be giving out fewer knighthoods, not more. Agreed. But that doesn't mean that adding some posthumous knighthoods out to those deserving is a bad thing. I agree on the basis we give one to Jesus first.  |
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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2009, 01:02:11 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. It can also be bad. 'Tis true. But a change to the way knighthoods and other 'honours' are giving out in this country would be a good thing (imo). That's a whole other issue Dan. so what did he do to deserve a knighthood? His efforts during the war were incredible but then so were a lot of other's. Are we saying that he should get knighted because of his war efforts or because of this + the fact that he was persecuted for his sexuality? If he hadn't been chemically castrated and subsequently killed himself would he still require a posthumous knighthood following his natural death? |
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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2009, 01:02:30 PM » |
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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2009, 01:07:59 PM » |
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If he hadn't been chemically castrated and subsequently killed himself would he still require a posthumous knighthood following his natural death?
Yes Assuming he hadn't got one while living. |
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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2009, 01:08:13 PM » |
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When did posthumous knighthoods start being given out?
Change can be good. It can also be bad. 'Tis true. But a change to the way knighthoods and other 'honours' are giving out in this country would be a good thing (imo). That's a whole other issue Dan. so what did he do to deserve a knighthood? His efforts during the war were incredible but then so were a lot of other's. Are we saying that he should get knighted because of his war efforts or because of this + the fact that he was persecuted for his sexuality? What did he do to deserve a knighthood? Is that a serious question? I really don't know many others who've been given the honour who are more deserving. I know of many who have been honoured who are less deserving. I actually think the whole honours system should be overhauled, but that's another discussion altogether. If he hadn't been chemically castrated and subsequently killed himself would he still require a posthumous knighthood following his natural death?
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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2009, 01:08:29 PM » |
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Perhaps a public acknowledgment of his great achievements and also acknowledgment that he was charged with a crime that in our modern society is seen as perfectly acceptable behaviour.
Unless you're religious of course... |
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