Raise or Shove?

[david3103]

This is a micro stakes rb with a small hardcore of regular winners (I'm one of them). It's slow enough to be played whilst I work/read Blonde/whatever and the regular players on the FT makes the latter stages fun.

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 571002145 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $2 Buy-in + $0.20 Entry Fee, Level:9 Blinds(300/600-50 ante) - Thursday, September 03, 10:16:35 GMT 2009
$100 Guaranteed Rebuy NL Hold'em #274606
Table 1 9-max (Real Money)
Final table - pays Top 3, 50/30/20

Seat 6 is the button
Total number of active players : 9
Seat 1: theodoremf4 ( 16,434.25 )
Seat 2: joey lad ( 13,862.75 )
Seat 3: smackeroo ( 14,759.38 )
Seat 4: schrams ( 28,941 )
Seat 5: 283283928 ( 18,295 )
Seat 6: hennigan1 ( 7,622.74 )
Seat 7: david3103 ( 7,483 )
Seat 8: xxsmilexx ( 41,923.38 )
Seat 9: Rich4Liz ( 10,678.50 )
Tourney Level:9 Blinds(300/600-50 ante)
theodoremf4 posts ante [50]
joey lad posts ante [50]
smackeroo posts ante [50]
Rich4Liz posts ante [50]
david3103 posts ante [50]
hennigan1 posts ante [50]
xxsmilexx posts ante [50]
283283928 posts ante [50]
schrams posts ante [50]
david3103 posts small blind [300]
xxsmilexx posts big blind [600]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to david3103 [ As, ]
Rich4Liz folds
theodoremf4 calls [600]
joey lad folds
smackeroo folds
schrams calls [600]
283283928 folds
hennigan1 folds
david3103 ........... ?

No real reads on theodorem or schrams, they aren't regulars on the FT of this.

If the answer is raise, how much?

[MC]

Just shove...

[Cf]

Shove for me. Already 2550 (if my adding up is correct) in the pot that we can pick up. And if we do get called we're still happy.

[pokefast]

Just over 10bbs = in they go.

[gatso]

world's easiest shove. you're short stacked, you have AKs, there's loads of money in the pot

[EvilPie]

AK needs to see all 5 cards to be 50 50 against a pair so get 'em in now.

Don't make the mistake of raising, letting someone call then having to pass a missed flop. With 2 callers already this is highly likely.

If you run in to AA or KK it's just one of them things. UL.

[david3103]

I knew all this!

Sorry for wasting your time, I knew I was wrong at the time

i raised and EvilPie's prediction came true....

WTF was I thinking?

[GreekStein]

A shove is the only option buddy. What was your thought process in terms of considering doing something else?

[BulldozerD]

i'd even jam with 10k here

[GreekStein]

I knew all this!

Sorry for wasting your time, I knew I was wrong at the time

i raised and EvilPie's prediction came true....

WTF was I thinking?

Raise/folding AK in the early levels where you have 100bbs is fine if you miss a flop but if we raise here we're putting in too much of our stack to pass on any flop and there's too much in the middle to let anyone see a flop unless they want to do it for your whole stack.

[gatso]

If the answer is raise, how much?

this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what?

[david3103]

A shove is the only option buddy. What was your thought process in terms of considering doing something else?

I thought... raise and call the shove which the raise induces...

Nahh truthfully - utter brainfart!

If the answer is raise, how much?

this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what?

Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping.

[gatso]

If the answer is raise, how much?

this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what?

Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping.

cool, just the way it was written then. I was a little worried

out of interest how much did you raise?

[EvilPie]

The problem you have is the stacks of the 2 callers.

They are still just about deep enough to play a flop against each other so don't need to iso shove.

The raise to induce a shove has to be done against the right oppo in the right circumstance. 2 limpers from 30bb stacks isn't the right circumstance.

[david3103]

If the answer is raise, how much?

this suggests you were considering an option that didn't invole raising. what?

Is this a question of semantics? I didn't consider either folding or limping.

cool, just the way it was written then. I was a little worried

out of interest how much did you raise?

I could tell you that, but then I'd have to kill you!

This story is bad enough without me then being castigated for the raise size...


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