fire or not to fire + is my line ok

[paulhouk03]

Full Tilt Poker Game #14679820307: MiniFTOPS Event #8 (97434994), Table 139 - 10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:47:45 ET - 2009/09/13
Seat 1: SlowDeer (1,250,652)
Seat 2: notorious p (1,432,273)
Seat 3: sistronic (487,986)
Seat 4: BlinkTetris (2,291,478)
Seat 5: cedr137 (440,856)
Seat 6: TKirk12 (890,359)
SlowDeer antes 2,500
notorious p antes 2,500
sistronic antes 2,500
BlinkTetris antes 2,500
cedr137 antes 2,500
TKirk12 antes 2,500
sistronic posts the small blind of 10,000
BlinkTetris posts the big blind of 20,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to notorious p [ ]
cedr137 folds
TKirk12 folds
SlowDeer has 15 seconds left to act
SlowDeer raises to 48,000
notorious p calls 48,000
sistronic has 15 seconds left to act
sistronic folds
BlinkTetris folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
SlowDeer has 15 seconds left to act
SlowDeer bets 80,000
notorious p has 15 seconds left to act
notorious p raises to 260,000
SlowDeer has 15 seconds left to act
SlowDeer calls 180,000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
SlowDeer checks
notorious p has 15 seconds left to act
notorious p has requested TIME
notorious p checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []

deep in ftops 8
80 ppl left

thoughts please

should i fire turn and river
3bet pre

i think i should 3bet pre tbh

[GreekStein]

3-bet pre

[ChipRich]

3b pre, then do everything you can to get it in on the flop, then get there.

[paulhouk03]

the reason i didnt want to 3bet is i didnt want to create such a big pot and i wanted to see a flop
maybe i am just too passive

[GreekStein]

the reason i didnt want to 3bet is i didnt want to create such a big pot and i wanted to see a flop
maybe i am just too passive

You should want to play a big pot here with AK. Plus we're only 60bbs deep. He's not gonna flat you much pre imo.

We're well ahead of raisers range I assume, we has an A and a K and they is SOOOTED.

[ALASKAN5IVE]

make it 137,775 pre then gamble all your chips on the flop

[AlexMartin]

urgh, hate to say it, but this is butchered mate

Its the combination of individual decisions that makes the line bad imo. Like, fine if u flat pre, but then flat flop also because stacks are gonna be tricky unless you are gonna barrel.  Like, if u flat pre than raise him on flop, jam turn.  mainly, 3bet pre all day and twice on sundays.


also, if u take this line then jam the river, decent handreaders are gonna snap ur arm off.

[paulhouk03]

urgh, hate to say it, but this is butchered mate

Its the combination of individual decisions that makes the line bad imo. Like, fine if u flat pre, but then flat flop also because stacks are gonna be tricky unless you are gonna barrel.  Like, if u flat pre than raise him on flop, jam turn.  mainly, 3bet pre all day and twice on sundays.


also, if u take this line then jam the river, decent handreaders are gonna snap ur arm off.

hmmm so basicly ur saying always 3bet and try and get it all in?


and i played it tez
and my line is pretty face up/bad?

well the dude had tens and i checked the river (which was ment to be included in but i am a retard)

[gatso]

and my line is pretty face up/bad?

one thing it isn't is face up as you should never have played it that way

gotta 3b pre and you can then get it in on the flop

once you've not 3b your raise on the turn combined with the turn check looks spewy

not wanting to play a big pot with AKblue is just bad thinking and sets you up to mangle the hand

[ZZZZZZZROPE]

if u aint 3betting ak suited deep in a 6max low limit donakathon what are you 3betting?

[EvilPie]

Obvious 3 bet as everyone else has said. I like to go about 100k on top here with position so that any c bet from him on such a beautiful flop means I can get the lot in really quick.

As played don't bother blufing the turn or river. Oppo's going to call. Your hand isn't face up but unless you've got the balls to put the lot in you are never getting him to fold his pocket 5's.

Bit of a spew but a good hand to learn from.

[titaniumbean]

the reason i didnt want to 3bet is i didnt want to create such a big pot and i wanted to see a flop
maybe i am just too passive

You should want to play a big pot here with AK. Plus we're only 60bbs deep. He's not gonna flat you much pre imo.

We're well ahead of raisers range I assume, we has an A and a K and they is SOOOTED.

This. I like flatting if we weren't both in MP. As it is 3bet pre with all the money that is already in the pot. If you're gonna play a big pot play it with AKs!

[titaniumbean]

urgh, hate to say it, but this is butchered mate

Its the combination of individual decisions that makes the line bad imo. Like, fine if u flat pre, but then flat flop also because stacks are gonna be tricky unless you are gonna barrel.  Like, if u flat pre than raise him on flop, jam turn.  mainly, 3bet pre all day and twice on sundays.


also, if u take this line then jam the river, decent handreaders are gonna snap ur arm off.

Very true.


Paul it's kinda hard for any real answer to the situation you've got to on the river. We know nothing of this player, do you? How could he view you how have you been playing etc? For any serious answers other than where the hand could have gone wrong we need more info.

AM is completely right with the spr raising flop puts us in a horrible spot on blank turns so once you cawl pre cawl the flop.

What hands would you 3 bet in this spot? With antes/blinds this size i'd prob 3 bet before i'd even considered flatting.

[titaniumbean]

urgh, hate to say it, but this is butchered mate

Its the combination of individual decisions that makes the line bad imo. Like, fine if u flat pre, but then flat flop also because stacks are gonna be tricky unless you are gonna barrel.  Like, if u flat pre than raise him on flop, jam turn.  mainly, 3bet pre all day and twice on sundays.


also, if u take this line then jam the river, decent handreaders are gonna snap ur arm off.

hmmm so basicly ur saying always 3bet and try and get it all in?


and i played it tez
and my line is pretty face up/bad?

well the dude had tens and i checked the river (which was ment to be included in but i am a retard)

It's good it's not included in the post, stop the hand at the decision.

If you're posting a beat you post the hh, if you are looking for strat advice post the hh to the point of your hardest/weirdest decision. Results are never required, but reads are.

[810ofclubs]

ok as played i think u have to jam the turn, as Alex said by flatting pre, u should then def b flattin the flop and get there.

pre flop has been discussed and is a 3bet so is every1 loving gettin 1.2m in at 10k/20k pre?

me: i would flat pre and flat the flop i think, then if he barrels turn is gay but probs jam over that

gd post