Folding JJ

[R8APK]

Live MTT

£500 buy in

25 Runners (15k each = 370kish chips in play)
6 Left
6th £500, 5th £1000, 4th 1500........1st £5k

1500/3000, 300 ante, half way through 45 min clock

My stack, 100k
Villian 1, stack of 28k
Villian 2, stack 130k

Villian 1 UTG, Villian 2 Cut off, Me on button

Villian 1, loose image, well known to push with any two, villian 2, respected player, have seen isolate raise before, my image tight, but have got active during last level 

UTG pushes, Villian 2 pushes, I have JJ.

Should I fold or call?

My thinking: UTG range is very wide, any ace or small pair, at worse(for me) kq. Villian 2 push cries out of isolating with maybe TT,JJ, AK or AQ, maybe QQ, but not likely AA or KK. Am confident I'm ahead of UTG, so if both UTG & I get knocked out, I'm guaranteed £1k (I qualified for £40).  If Villian has big ace, UTG could also have one of his outs.  In any event I could be racing with a chance to win over 2/3 of chips in play. Also blinds are getting very big compared to chips in play. But could be up against 3 overcards or overpair. Also have blinds behind to act. Obviously no fold equity either.

Decided to fold.

UTG 88, Villian 2 AK........JJ would have scooped the lot(but thats not the point.......was i right to fold?).

Cheers

 

[GreekStein]

Pretty horrible spot. I fold too.

[boldie]

meh,

It's a pretty nasty spot maybe but I'll take it...

If Villain2 (the only one you're worried about really)   could have QQ as the hand that beats you and has plenty hands you are beating (which is the range you are putting him on

Villian 2 push cries out of isolating with maybe TT,JJ, AK or AQ, maybe QQ, but not likely AA or KK.

), surely this is a call?

[R8APK]

still not sure.....

only have 300 invested in pot, no fold equity, 2 players behind(albeit unlikely to have anything) and most likely to be racing.......thought i'd find better spots..........

[boldie]

I don't know...scoop the lot and have 300k'ish and go on to win the thing for 5k. Worst case scenario you get done in this pot...Shortie wins it and Villain2 knocks you out gets you £500..but seeing that you reckon you're ahead of the shortie and almost certain (80%) that you're ahead of villain2, I don't think this is a spot I'd pass up.


Any shrewdies about for this one?..interested in other people's opinions (as I could of course be horribly wrong)

[outragous76]

This for me is a ladder or win question. And jj is right on the border, as in, if you have qq you snap and tt you are sick in your mouth.               Firstly, you say there are possibly 3 overs? You can ignore Utg in this hand. You are playing for the side pot. Reality is you prob have him crushed to a max of 30% and prob 20%. So turning to the c\o. If you believe you can eliminate AA and KK from his range, this is a call. Have you seen him flat aa as a induce trap, and does he think that you are capable of a re shove squeeze? As this is a marginal spot for you then we need to turn to the money. Lets assume that we know he has ak, are you prepared to flip? Knowing loosing you get 500, winning you get 5k. As this spot is marginal for you, that is the only question you need to answer. Given the above, i snap call. However, you could easily fold and try to find better spots and guarantee yourself a bit more money and maybe the win. I call.       

[outragous76]

Btw, you shouldnt tell people what you did or what the result was. :-). Not at least until you have had some feed back.

[Royal Flush]

Quietly raise 1 hand in the air and then push your chips in. Great shot to win the comp with what should be a big edge.

[AlexMartin]

ugly spot, fold, ur praying to dear god villain 2 has 99/1010 as he prolly understand the risk reward at this stage and if you call u prolly have to dodge 1/2 the deck.

[pleno1]

ugly spot, fold, ur praying to dear god villain 2 has 99/1010 as he prolly understand the risk reward at this stage and if you call u prolly have to dodge 1/2 the deck.

this is a £500 buy in cant say villain 2 will necessarily be tez.

if he is decent he will be iso'n wide here imo and im never folding jj here, call and win and we can go on and win tourny.

[boldie]

ugly spot, fold, ur praying to dear god villain 2 has 99/1010 as he prolly understand the risk reward at this stage and if you call u prolly have to dodge 1/2 the deck.

You don't have to dodge half the deck though..just whatever Villain2 holds.