ruling help please

[geordieneil]

somrthing i've never seen live happened last week at the charity poker event i run and not100%  sure of the ruling on it          blinds were 3000/6000   and the small blind only had 5000 remaining so not enough to cover the bb..... but the bb ran to the toilet desperatly while 1st pos and 2nd pos were dwelling on making a call, but the bb was at the table when the cards were dealt. 1st pos and 2nd pos eventually folded before the bb got back from the loo.
     i gave the ruling that as the bb wasnt at the table the sb should take the pot and the 1000 returned to the bb....but a few of the people around the table claimed as  the sb could not cover the bet(the bb of 6000), there should be a show down....as it was only a friendly charity game i allowed this to go ahead to save the arguements....well the bb who wasnt present won the hand and knocked the sb out.
   please help on this, imho i think my origanal ruling was the correct one and i should of awarded 10000 to the sb and returned 1000 to the unpresent bb,,,,,,, but please advise.
  cheers geordieneil
   

[Ironside]

leave the table your hand is folded

sb takes pots

[WarBwastard]

If he's not there his hand is dead.  Should also be asked politely as it was a charity do not to leave the table out of turn.

[gatso]

tda rule 23

23. Action Pending
A player must remain at the table if he has a live hand.

hand dead, award pot to sb, give bb a warning for intentionally folding out of turn

[EvilPie]

Hand definitely dead once BB leaves the table. Also penalty for passing out of turn unless he'd not actually looked at his cards yet.

I'm not sure whether BB should get the 1000 back either. Usually the hand is killed and the blind drawn in to the pot. Interesting situation.

WP everyone else at the table btw especially the guy on the button for picking easy spots really well.

[Ironside]

button is a little silly

he puts 5k he will get 1k back so he is putting in 4k to win a 15k pot and if the sb is daft then he might even get him to fold

[geordieneil]

yes i agree with button being a little silly, imo the whole table shud of flat called and checked it down.
    but to fair to the bb he said he was dying for the toilet before he left, and as it was mostly friends at the table they both took the p*** and took ages on purpose winding the bb up (in very friendly banter)...now i would of gave him a warning if he pee'd his pants at the table coz he was sat next to me )
    i was fairly sure of the ruling, but the return of the 1000 i would like to know the exact ruling on.
              gl at the tables geordieneil

[GreekStein]

as it was only a friendly charity game i allowed this to go ahead to save the arguements....well the bb who wasnt present won the hand and knocked the sb out.   

Could it not have caused an argument that the SB got knocked out when he shouldn't have been?

Surely ruling in his favour in the charity game was better, after all it didn't even leave him with 2bbs.

[geordieneil]

as it was only a friendly charity game i allowed this to go ahead to save the arguements....well the bb who wasnt present won the hand and knocked the sb out.   

Could it not have caused an argument that the SB got knocked out when he shouldn't have been?

Surely ruling in his favour in the charity game was better, after all it didn't even leave him with 2bbs.

i fully agree but like i said they were all mates at the table and the bb was  getting constantly wound up by the 1st pos and 2nd pos  trying to make him pee his pants, the place was in ruptures of laughter, i ruled that if he did leave his hand would be dead, which only added fuel to the fire for the 2 winding him up. btw the sb agreed to the show down
   this post was more for future reference than what was fair and what was unfair , you had to be there to understand why i let it go ahead it was hillarious.
     the spare 1000 is the main rule i aint sure about

[Cf]

Not read all of it, others have answered. But I will say this:

The best way of keeping a "friendly game" friendly is to follow the rules. Not doing so will lead you to all sorts of trouble down the line.

[Longines]

Obviously the hand is dead but I think the BB should get his 1000 back.

What if the SB had 25 chips left and the blinds were 5000/10000 when the BB left the table? Should the SB now have 50 chips or 10025?

[gatso]

Obviously the hand is dead but I think the BB should get his 1000 back.

What if the SB had 25 chips left and the blinds were 5000/10000 when the BB left the table? Should the SB now have 50 chips or 10025?

your example is actually very different as the sb is automatically all-in by having less than a small blind

as the bb's hand is dead once he leaves the table we have a main pot (50) and a side pot (9975) before any action takes place as the ep players are dwelling. if it now gets folded round the table the button is the last active player who is entitled to the side pot so is automatically awarded it, it should not go to the bb. they also have the option to call the all-in and contest the side pot which would then be 75

in the op the sb is not automatically all-in, they still have the option to fold or call. now surely a side pot can only be created if a player is all-in so we're left with 1000 chips that no-one seems to own as by the time the pot exists there are no active players entitled to it. common sense says it should be treated as an uncalled raise and it's the bb's but I'm struggling to come up with an actual rule to support the obvious

[geordieneil]

Obviously the hand is dead but I think the BB should get his 1000 back.

What if the SB had 25 chips left and the blinds were 5000/10000 when the BB left the table? Should the SB now have 50 chips or 10025?

your example is actually very different as the sb is automatically all-in by having less than a small blind

as the bb's hand is dead once he leaves the table we have a main pot (50) and a side pot (9975) before any action takes place as the ep players are dwelling. if it now gets folded round the table the button is the last active player who is entitled to the side pot so is automatically awarded it, it should not go to the bb. they also have the option to call the all-in and contest the side pot which would then be 75

in the op the sb is not automatically all-in, they still have the option to fold or call. now surely a side pot can only be created if a player is all-in so we're left with 1000 chips that no-one seems to own as by the time the pot exists there are no active players entitled to it. common sense says it should be treated as an uncalled raise and it's the bb's but I'm struggling to come up with an actual rule to support the obvious

i must of played 3-400 live games and i've never come across the situation b4, ithad me stumped what to do for the "spare 1000". but in the 25 chip scenario if it is folded to button and he is a newbie that has never played b4 and didnt make a call, how would he be entitled to the remaining pot???

[gatso]

but in the 25 chip scenario if it is folded to button and he is a newbie that has never played b4 and didnt make a call, how would he be entitled to the remaining pot???

because he's the last remaining player in that pot, there's no need to call if no-one else is active

[Longines]

This would make a great quiz question: "you fold from the button and the dealer ships you 975 chips. There hasn't been a mistake. Explain".