5/1 City

[The Baron]

Serious question,why not Michael Owen ?

No pace and wouldn't suit our style of play but I wish we had him now.

[mondatoo]

The ball was never out of city's half so there was no danger of man u conceding,my main issue was the ball was in the centre circle around 94:40 and the ref should've blew the whistle then i think the excuses are bs and i've not seen this happen in many other games yet there are loads of late goals.

Serious question,why not Michael Owen ?

No pace and wouldn't suit our style of play but I wish we had him now.

Morale alone he woulda been a good signing since gerrard & co seem to love him + the fact he's still one of the best finishers in the country i think liverpool should've tried there best to get him

[david3103]

Lets see if we can work out some maths here.... Liverpool v West Ham at the weekend in the 1st half there was 4 goals and West Ham had to make two subs due to injury.This all equates to 1 min added time hmmmm.

the ref in the liverpool game not being able to add up has no bearing on whether the ref in the united game was right

the whole thing is lol really. both teams got the same amount of added time. he didn't let united play on for a bit while city sat in the changing rooms

I can understand when people have moaned in the past about united getting added time in games they were trailing but it makes no sense in games that are all square, no team gains an advantage

if city had scored a late winner would hughes have moaned about how united got too much time?

also bear in mind that when 4 minutes of additional time is indicated that is a minimum. the ref may well be planning on playing 4.55 but would still have to display 4.00 as it is done in whole minutes and the amount played cannot be less than that displayed

You are forgetting the very important intanglibes such as momentum shift, home field advantage and psychology.

To try to suggest this extra time would have benefitted anyone other than Utd at that particular time is pretty ridiculous.

Not sure how the momentum or psychology is in United's favour given that they had just gifted a third equaliser to City?

[TightEnd]

Ryan Giggs has just scored. 5-3 United.


Game over.

[AndrewT]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/22/manchester-united-goals-stoppage-time

Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

[Rod Paradise]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/22/manchester-united-goals-stoppage-time

Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

Some bad use of stats there though. How many teams are going to waste time when they're behind against Man U? And how likely are Man U to waste time when they're ahead at home? Theye're usually going for more goals.

[The Baron]

Lets see if we can work out some maths here.... Liverpool v West Ham at the weekend in the 1st half there was 4 goals and West Ham had to make two subs due to injury.This all equates to 1 min added time hmmmm.

the ref in the liverpool game not being able to add up has no bearing on whether the ref in the united game was right

the whole thing is lol really. both teams got the same amount of added time. he didn't let united play on for a bit while city sat in the changing rooms

I can understand when people have moaned in the past about united getting added time in games they were trailing but it makes no sense in games that are all square, no team gains an advantage

if city had scored a late winner would hughes have moaned about how united got too much time?

also bear in mind that when 4 minutes of additional time is indicated that is a minimum. the ref may well be planning on playing 4.55 but would still have to display 4.00 as it is done in whole minutes and the amount played cannot be less than that displayed

You are forgetting the very important intanglibes such as momentum shift, home field advantage and psychology.

To try to suggest this extra time would have benefitted anyone other than Utd at that particular time is pretty ridiculous.

Not sure how the momentum or psychology is in United's favour given that they had just gifted a third equaliser to City?

Momentum shift would obviously go to Utd as they are at home and now drawing instead of beating their local rivals, and City's psychology would most likely have been to protect what they had.

[david3103]

Lets see if we can work out some maths here.... Liverpool v West Ham at the weekend in the 1st half there was 4 goals and West Ham had to make two subs due to injury.This all equates to 1 min added time hmmmm.

the ref in the liverpool game not being able to add up has no bearing on whether the ref in the united game was right

the whole thing is lol really. both teams got the same amount of added time. he didn't let united play on for a bit while city sat in the changing rooms

I can understand when people have moaned in the past about united getting added time in games they were trailing but it makes no sense in games that are all square, no team gains an advantage

if city had scored a late winner would hughes have moaned about how united got too much time?

also bear in mind that when 4 minutes of additional time is indicated that is a minimum. the ref may well be planning on playing 4.55 but would still have to display 4.00 as it is done in whole minutes and the amount played cannot be less than that displayed

You are forgetting the very important intanglibes such as momentum shift, home field advantage and psychology.

To try to suggest this extra time would have benefitted anyone other than Utd at that particular time is pretty ridiculous.

Not sure how the momentum or psychology is in United's favour given that they had just gifted a third equaliser to City?

Momentum shift would obviously go to Utd as they are at home and now drawing instead of beating their local rivals, and City's psychology would most likely have been to protect what they had.

So all teams that concede late equalisers at home automatically have the upper hand in whatever time is remaining?

[The Baron]

Lets see if we can work out some maths here.... Liverpool v West Ham at the weekend in the 1st half there was 4 goals and West Ham had to make two subs due to injury.This all equates to 1 min added time hmmmm.

the ref in the liverpool game not being able to add up has no bearing on whether the ref in the united game was right

the whole thing is lol really. both teams got the same amount of added time. he didn't let united play on for a bit while city sat in the changing rooms

I can understand when people have moaned in the past about united getting added time in games they were trailing but it makes no sense in games that are all square, no team gains an advantage

if city had scored a late winner would hughes have moaned about how united got too much time?

also bear in mind that when 4 minutes of additional time is indicated that is a minimum. the ref may well be planning on playing 4.55 but would still have to display 4.00 as it is done in whole minutes and the amount played cannot be less than that displayed

You are forgetting the very important intanglibes such as momentum shift, home field advantage and psychology.

To try to suggest this extra time would have benefitted anyone other than Utd at that particular time is pretty ridiculous.

Not sure how the momentum or psychology is in United's favour given that they had just gifted a third equaliser to City?

Momentum shift would obviously go to Utd as they are at home and now drawing instead of beating their local rivals, and City's psychology would most likely have been to protect what they had.

So all teams that concede late equalisers at home automatically have the upper hand in whatever time is remaining?

That is not what I said. If you see my previous post I mention that this is intangible, not something so easy to measure or define.

I cant really be bothered to explain further becuase I have a sneaky feeling you'll disagree no matter what, but I think most people will get what I'm trying to say.