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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2009, 07:03:11 PM »

withheld 3% to help with the webcast etc,

It costs £90 a head?

kids got to eat durrrrrrrr.
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2009, 07:14:51 PM »

this is just redic, I used to argue that £50 was the max we should ever goto in reg fee's unless it was a week long comp when i was running these. To claim for £££ to help pay for the tv costs is just stupid, as for trying to swing £50 for food when there is a huge mark up on it is trying to just add insult to injury the £50 will cost the Vic somewhere around £20 total to make and supply.

These comps should be run by the casino without outsiders trying to make a few quid from it as well, luckily for them they are only looking for 128 players which should get scooped by the pro's and multai's.

What sort of buisness person agrees to the tv deal when the client has to pick up a £38k deficet in money for the show to be aired, whats the point.

i think the Vic has been stupid and let the players down by putting its name to this and damaged its rep.
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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2009, 07:16:55 PM »

I would have loved to play this tournament.

Heads up is my favourite form of poker and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at it.

But the idea that the players have to contribute towards the television coverage is beyond a joke.

This is such a dangerous path for poker to go down, I urge everyone to boycott this event.

I think you may have misunderstood the reasoning here Keith.
We have a very limited sponsorship deal which almost covers our TV costs. We have added some of our own monies to cover staging and promoting the event in an effort to establish it in the UK .We have been honest and told all concerned that we cannot fully cover all these costs and have withheld 3% to help with the webcast etc, which we thought was a good idea for publicity for both the players involved and the event itself. It is not an ideal  answer to our problem but it allows us to go ahead with the event for 2009.
To be perfectly honest  I have put a lot of effort into trying to get this off the ground this year in the UK and hoped that most people would see the logic and sense behind the plan. I have always tried to get the best deal for all players in this event (please feel free to ask those that have played previously) but seeing some of the comments on this forum with regard to this does make me wonder a little. Of course peoples views are just that , however continualy slagging this off is not really very helpful and really won`t further the future of poker in the UK.

Pete Singleton.

Pete,

I have no axe to grind

The only players who will be benefit from a webcast are sponsored players.

To those who are self funded the extra exposure means nothing. I couldn't give a monkey's arse if a tournament I play is given coverage.

You are making it sound like the only reason you are running this tournament is altruistic.

If your company wasn't going to make any money you wouldn't be running it.

To ask the players to cover the costs for media coverage is laughable.
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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2009, 07:19:23 PM »

If a cost effective deal can't be done for the TV, then don't televise it. I am sure it's quite capable of being run successfully without TV involved, certainly without charging players for it

I am also sure there are companies out there who would live stream it onto the web for a lot less than the organisers are being charged here

Priorities pretty much upside down here IMO
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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2009, 10:22:07 PM »

Here for 1 night only following a telecom with another Blonde who thought this was ludicrous and I could not resist putting in my 2 p's worth.

Surely the only people benefiting from this is Pete Singleton and his ego? Who is this competition for? The players surely? Why would any player want to pay to give Pete Singleton (or anyone else for that matter) a job. If this programme is not worth being supported by it's sponsors (who clearly are not willing to stump up the tv costs) and a tv company can't be found prepared to record it and sell it on for advertising/distribution etc then why should the players make up the difference?

I'm fairly well versed in tv deals and distribution rights and if no one has come forward willing to take this on then it's already been deemed as not a big draw for viewers and any 'advantages' player may have by being seen on tv must be minimal imo.

The next step will be deductions for Petes tax and NI shown on the buy in slip. Ridic imo.
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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2009, 10:32:04 PM »


Does seem wrong to charge the player to appear at 2am on Information TV +4.

In the end it will be supply and demand.

As said already, it will almost certainly fill,....so you pays your money and puts on your make up.
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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2009, 11:41:03 PM »

If a cost effective deal can't be done for the TV, then don't televise it. I am sure it's quite capable of being run successfully without TV involved, certainly without charging players for it

I am also sure there are companies out there who would live stream it onto the web for a lot less than the organisers are being charged here

Priorities pretty much upside down here IMO

I would guess their thinking is it used to sell out completely every year there was TV coverage and last year there was none it couldn't even muster 64 runners. You can see why their logic would be that it must be televised to attract players, that and they'll make a nice healthy profit if they fill it and pass on the TV costs.
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2009, 01:20:54 PM »

Have none of you seen the 'im so poor i cant afford to feed myself but i can afford to play £500 comps' buffet stampede?

Surely this comp should just be advertised as

£2910+£390 all players will receive FREE buffet

No one would moan at that
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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2009, 02:19:49 PM »

Have none of you seen the 'im so poor i cant afford to feed myself but i can afford to play £500 comps' buffet stampede?

Surely this comp should just be advertised as

£2910+£390 all players will receive FREE buffet

No one would moan at that

If the offer was unlimited beer for a week, I would definitely play Wink
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2009, 02:21:40 PM »

Have none of you seen the 'im so poor i cant afford to feed myself but i can afford to play £500 comps' buffet stampede?

Surely this comp should just be advertised as

£2910+£390 all players will receive FREE buffet

No one would moan at that

If the offer was unlimited beer for a week, I would definitely play Wink

If the £50 includes unlimited alcohol as well as food, what is to stop someone ordering a 16oz steak and 7 bottles of JD ??
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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2009, 04:20:14 PM »

Have none of you seen the 'im so poor i cant afford to feed myself but i can afford to play £500 comps' buffet stampede?

Surely this comp should just be advertised as

£2910+£390 all players will receive FREE buffet

No one would moan at that

If the offer was unlimited beer for a week, I would definitely play Wink

If the £50 includes unlimited alcohol as well as food, what is to stop someone ordering a 16oz steak and 7 bottles of JD ??

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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2009, 04:54:16 PM »

Have none of you seen the 'im so poor i cant afford to feed myself but i can afford to play £500 comps' buffet stampede?

Surely this comp should just be advertised as

£2910+£390 all players will receive FREE buffet

No one would moan at that

LOL..if only you were wrong.
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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2009, 05:36:52 PM »

can't wait until there is no poker on tv. Will be heaven.
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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2009, 06:10:25 PM »

I like what Ironside has said in this thread. The punctuation and grammer could have been better but w/e. I would say that if you want to make any event successful you should appeal to as broad a range of your customers as possible. If you limit the appeal to sponsored pros or youngun hopefuls you're thinning your customer base considerably and will consequently attract fewer people. I agree that these are the only ones who will appreciate the value of paying for their own exposure. Generally poker players are shrewd bastards so like to find value where they can and if those players don't see the value in an event that's a problem, regardless how hard people have worked.
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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2009, 06:36:23 PM »

can't wait until there is no poker on tv. Will be heaven.

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