Genealogy

[pokefast]

Right i've decided to leave everyone as they are and just make my tree private as according to ancestry it will still show ancestry tips to my tree but anyone who wants to view it needs my permission so all is good.

I've also ordered a birth and marriage certificate for Ann Argyle.Just got to wait for them to come now. Meanwhile i've had a few leads on the other side of my family just checking them out.

I believe there are christening records online dating back to pre 1600 if there are where can i find them?

[Jon MW]

You probably don't need to worry about that for a bit.

It's the church records, copies usually held in the county archives but sometimes also held in local libraries.

[pokefast]

You probably don't need to worry about that for a bit.

It's the church records, copies usually held in the county archives but sometimes also held in local libraries.

Lol yes walk before running and all that!

I do though need to check out a birth in 1816 in Christchurch,Hampshire where would i find such info?

Think this going to be another tricky one though as i'm pretty sure this woman is my great great great grandmother but she has a different surname to her son. She is listed in the 1891 census as mother to the head ( the head being Thomas Colledge - my great great grandfather ) but her surname is Wareham. How would i go about sorting out the difference in names?

[Jon MW]

There are the 1881, 1871, 1861, 1851 and 1841 census's you could cross reference them to for a start

[pokefast]

Thanks Jon.

I've started by researching Thomas Colledge's marriage because i was un sure of his wife's maiden name, I've found her now with help from other sources but in the wedding indexes Thomas is listed as Thomas Colledge Hughes?

Does this mean he is not a colledge after all but a Hughes?

[Jon MW]

That could be like I alluded to earlier that his mothers surname was Hughes and fathers surname Colledge, and he was born before they married.

It certainly fits very well into that pattern - but obviously any assumptions have to be proven with actual evidence, because whatever is the most likely explanation - there are always alternative ones.

[pokefast]

This is turning into an even bigger saga than the Ann Argyle/Daniel Butlin case.

Will post more in a bit when i've got my head round it!

[pokefast]

I think the census or transcribers of the 1891 census ( don't actually know which one is to blame! ) have led me on a very merry dance this afternoon!

The Elizabeth Wareham that is showing in the 1891 census is in fact NOT the mother of Thomas Colledge if someone could check this out i'd be grateful just to prove i'm right.

If you search ( on ancestry ) for Thomas Colledge born abt 1850 in the 1891 census it brings up the page with the volume number and page number and at the bottom there is a list which includes his wife and all the little Colledge's. There is not in that list an Elizabeth Wareham.

If you then search for Elizabeth Wareham on the corresponding page as above there is Elizabeth Wareham her SON her son's wife and all the little Wareham's but no Colledge's.

If however you click on view original document from either the Wareham or Colledge screen it then takes you to exactly the same thing. At the bottom you have the transcribed information and the top is the original transcript. At the bottom it states that Thomas Colledge is the head with all of the clan Colledge present but with also Elizabeth Wareham as mother!

However on the original transcript it looks to me that Elizabeth,who is at the very top of the page, is overspill from the previous page and does in fact live next door.

Also Thomas's mother in previous census is listed as Eliza born abt 1828 not Elizabeth born abt 1816!

Is this a reasonable assumption?

[pokefast]

Another puzzling problem.

In the census of 1881 Thomas colledge is married to Rosa Colledge. In the census of 1891 Thomas is now married to Alice Colledge.

I would have thought Rosa had died but there is no record of her death between the years of 1881-1891.

Could there be a divorce?

If so were divorces listed then?

If so where could i find such a list?

[Jon MW]

Divorces are very very unlikely

It's more likely she died and you can't find the record

That name seems like one which could very easily be lost somewhere due to bad transcribing.

[pokefast]

Yeah i think it unlikely too Jon. But don't know how i can confirm her death?

[Jon MW]

If he remarried, there would also be the record of that marriage.

Had a quick look.

Interesting.

Not helpful, but definitely ...  interesting.

[pokefast]

If he remarried, there would also be the record of that marriage.

Had a quick look.

Interesting.

Not helpful, but definitely ...  interesting.

Interesting in the fact that i can't find the death of Rosa?

Or interesting in an other way i've not yet discovered?

[Jon MW]

If he remarried, there would also be the record of that marriage.

Had a quick look.

Interesting.

Not helpful, but definitely ...  interesting.

Interesting in the fact that i can't find the death of Rosa?

Or interesting in an other way i've not yet discovered?

The second one

[pokefast]

If he remarried, there would also be the record of that marriage.

Had a quick look.

Interesting.

Not helpful, but definitely ...  interesting.

Interesting in the fact that i can't find the death of Rosa?

Or interesting in an other way i've not yet discovered?

The second one

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh 

I've been sitting here for the last hour wondering about this cos unless i'm blind or have made an error ( which is very possible ) between the years of 1881 and 1891
when Rosa appears to vanish,there is no death record and no remarriage records for either Rosa or Thomas.

How about a starter for ten?