Genealogy

[pokefast]

Thanks Jon you are being a great help.

How often is a new census released then?

My wife seems to think you can view any census up until the present day! but this is clearly not the case.

[Claw75]

i thought they became public after 100 years, but the 1911 being available would suggest it's just shy of that. Jon will know, no doubt!

[Jon MW]

i thought they became public after 100 years, but the 1911 being available would suggest it's just shy of that. Jon will know, no doubt!

It's a 100 years, but a load of genealogists made a fuss and they 'tweaked' it a bit.

[curnow]

Slightly confused.

Found my Grandad who was born 18Th June 1910 died in Oct 2003 but his birth wasn't recorded till the quarter of Clasped 1910.

I know its him but why the discrepency?

go on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ & check June/Sept quarters for that year , if he has brother or sister after 1912 , they will give mothers maiden name as well , you can look up your grandfather on the 1911 census  @ http://www.1911census.co.uk/ , should find them on there , & check their marriage on freebmd  , if you can cross reference everything you wont always need the certificates

[pokefast]

Slightly confused.

Found my Grandad who was born 18Th June 1910 died in Oct 2003 but his birth wasn't recorded till the quarter of Clasped 1910.

I know its him but why the discrepency?

go on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ & check June/Sept quarters for that year , if he has brother or sister after 1912 , they will give mothers maiden name as well , you can look up your grandfather on the 1911 census  @ http://www.1911census.co.uk/ , should find them on there , & check their marriage on freebmd  , if you can cross reference everything you wont always need the certificates

Thanks mate found my grandfather on the 1911 census,and in turn my great grandfather.Other greatgrandparents  will be more difficult as my granparents  were all born 1913+

[pokefast]

Another possibly daft ish question.

I have found my Great Grandfather on my dads side via the 1911 census so happy days there.

BUT how is it possible to find the maiden name of his wife ( my great grandmother )? i've searched the marriage indexes and found my great grandfather right enough but it doesn't list who he married.

ps thanks to all those who have helped so far, large portions of your favourite beverages await at next bash.

[Claw75]

Another possibly daft ish question.

I have found my Great Grandfather on my dads side via the 1911 census so happy days there.

BUT how is it possible to find the maiden name of his wife ( my great grandmother )? i've searched the marriage indexes and found my great grandfather right enough but it doesn't list who he married.

ps thanks to all those who have helped so far, large portions of your favourite beverages await at next bash.

I think this is the point you have to start getting hold of certificates, and where I got stuck with the free trial stuff.

[Claw75]

Just occurred to me how much harder it will be for future generations to trace their ancestry what with marriage not being a prerequisite to having children nowadays not to mention divorce and remarriage being almost the norm.

[Jon MW]

Just occurred to me how much harder it will be for future generations to trace their ancestry what with marriage not being a prerequisite to having children nowadays not to mention divorce and remarriage being almost the norm.

Part of that is offset by how much better the electronic records are now - but overall it'll make it harder.

[Jon MW]

Another possibly daft ish question.

I have found my Great Grandfather on my dads side via the 1911 census so happy days there.

BUT how is it possible to find the maiden name of his wife ( my great grandmother )? i've searched the marriage indexes and found my great grandfather right enough but it doesn't list who he married.

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Usually comes from the mothers maiden name in the birth index of their children.

I can't remember the date they started including that on the index, so if it's after the censuses and before they started doing that then it would have to be from the certificates.

[pokefast]

So lets say i want to find out my great grandmothers maiden name,i know the year of her birth from the 1911 census,i know her first name is mary so which certificate would tell me her maiden name?

Sorry for being thick folks,am finding this hard but fascinating.

Wish i'd have started this years ago,as i remember my grandad telling me all about the family when i was a kid,but sadly i didn't and he has since passed away.

[ScottMGee]

So lets say i want to find out my great grandmothers maiden name,i know the year of her birth from the 1911 census,i know her first name is mary so which certificate would tell me her maiden name?

Sorry for being thick folks,am finding this hard but fascinating.

Wish i'd have started this years ago,as i remember my grandad telling me all about the family when i was a kid,but sadly i didn't and he has since passed away.

1) find your great grand fathers mariage index
2) check the marriage index to see who else is on that page - you can do this via ancestry.co.uk and maybe other places.
3) normally the marriage index has about 4 people on it, i.e. Adam Smith, Brian Jones, Edna Brown and Fanny Harrott
4) If your great grandad is Adam Smith then he married either Edna Brown or Fanny Harrott - If you know you great grandma's name then sorted
5) If still unsure, check the next census after the marriage date and see who great grandad is living with, i.e. Edna smith or Fanny smith
This is not fool proof, but normally works.

[ScottMGee]

Double check your answer by checking the birth index of your grandparents, as this lists their name and their mother's maiden name.

all of this is not perfect and ideally you should get certificates to prove relationships but I imagine most people don't bother.

I managed to trace my family back about 170 years or so mainly using ancestry.co.uk and some certificates.

[Jon MW]

So lets say i want to find out my great grandmothers maiden name,i know the year of her birth from the 1911 census,i know her first name is mary so which certificate would tell me her maiden name?

Sorry for being thick folks,am finding this hard but fascinating.

Wish i'd have started this years ago,as i remember my grandad telling me all about the family when i was a kid,but sadly i didn't and he has since passed away.

If you have your Great Grandfathers wedding details, you can look on the same page for which women were married at the same time.

On freebmd the page number is hyperlinked for you to be able to do this for example

Hopefully there were only 2 or 3 weddings for that volume and page number for that day, and hopefully only one of them was called Mary.

This is good evidence but, if the page doesn't show an even number of brides and grooms it means it's not fully transcribed so there could be something missing you need. And if there is more than one Mary, then obviously you can't necessarily tell which is the right one.

However, once you have a maiden name (or 2 if you're unlucky) you can then look for that person in the year of birth you've got from the census.

Hopefully all this information will tie in together and correlate your data.

If there are any contradictions then you'll probably need to order your great grandfathers wedding certificate to be sure you have the right person - and the caveat is that at some point you should get it anyway because everything should get correlated with each other eventually.


EDIT: some of that covered already - but additionally like I said you have her year of birth from the census to help corellate

Dammit he's added that as well

[pokefast]

Thanks very muchly guys i really appreciate your help.

I think there is a certain period when they didn't list the mothers maiden name on the birth index because this grandad i'm on about was born in 1910 and his mothers name is not listed hence the troubles i'm having,however my 3 other grandparents mothers are listed as they were born 1913+ how odd.