WSOPE Main Event Hand

[The Camel]

did you ever find out his hand?

My initial reaction was to snap fold when he raised.

But then I thought, would he really play a flush draw like this? It is Devilfish after all.

I dunno, maybe I'm a station and a non believer but I called and he insta mucked!

 

I'll ask him what he had next time I see him.

[Ironside]

did you ever find out his hand?

My initial reaction was to snap fold when he raised.

But then I thought, would he really play a flush draw like this? It is Devilfish after all.

I dunno, maybe I'm a station and a non believer but I called and he insta mucked!

 

I'll ask him what he had next time I see him.

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you still scare me


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i have never recovered

[MANTIS01]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

[NoflopsHomer]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

The plan is not to avoid uncertainty. The plan is to maximise what we can make versus the polarised range that the opponent has.

[AlexMartin]

pretty much perfect

[outragous76]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

The plan is not to avoid uncertainty. The plan is to maximise what we can make versus the polarised range that the opponent has.

only if u can realise the value

[The Camel]

pretty much perfect

I think leading out on the river was almost certainly a mistake.

Against Devilfish not a bad mistake (as he proved by bluff raising the river), but against most players it would be terribad.

[MANTIS01]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

The plan is not to avoid uncertainty. The plan is to maximise what we can make versus the polarised range that the opponent has.

only if u can realise the value

Yes, some have said b/f the river is the best line. That isn't maxing the value of this hand.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

The plan is not to avoid uncertainty. The plan is to maximise what we can make versus the polarised range that the opponent has.

only if u can realise the value

Yes, some have said b/f the river is the best line. That isn't maxing the value of this hand.

No but check calling or check shipping rivers IS the maxing the value as long as you flat the turn.

[MANTIS01]

Still unsure about this hand. I think the river is messy business. Plan to check, plan changes, v-bet, v-bet raised, not part of the plan, think fold, think again, gamble villain doesn't have a flush, tentative call. Who's good enough to peg when villain does and doesn't have a flush in these spots? One of the advantages of jamming the turn is you avoid this type of uncertainty. I don't think that should be ignored when thinking about the turn action. Those that say check the river can just as easy find themselves answering a jam. I'm still undecided about the turn action because I think you only get this flurry of betting if the river is one of the danger cards you want to avoid. If it's a brick you only seem to make one bet when you check. Is the avoidance of this shit on the river worth that, if indeed you get it at all?

The plan is not to avoid uncertainty. The plan is to maximise what we can make versus the polarised range that the opponent has.

only if u can realise the value

Yes, some have said b/f the river is the best line. That isn't maxing the value of this hand.

No but check calling or check shipping rivers IS the maxing the value as long as you flat the turn.

Unless you're beat and then you've lost value again. Flatting the turn doesn't guarantee value because there's still two ways to lose on the river. You've also got to figure villain never has a hand he ships the turn with or he never semi-bluffs a 3-bet (even though he spews 92k on the river) to say flatting the turn is best. I don't know how much value there really is on the river tbh. But you could be right.

[poonjoe]

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Why are people so aggressive if you don't agree with them,i just seemed to me you where proving that your play is the right one to make by how this specific hand panned out instead of being open to the fact there maybe a better line to take that's all


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Lol thats what forums are all about saying what you think without having to look someone in the face

[action man]

keith i think u made at least 2 mistakes in the hand, 1) not raising pre 2) not c/c river, just goes to show how bad devilfish actually is.

[MANTIS01]

Calling pre was ok imo, there were a lot of factors which suggested the raise would be ineffective. Swap the stacks round and I think it'd be a mistake not to raise though. I don't even think leading the river is a mistake if you've already decided to call a raise. You did call the raise because you don't think villain plays a f/d that way and that's something you can maybe decide before leading. So the reaction of wanting to fold is the mistake villain's bluff is looking to expose. Your strat did actually max the value in the hand thou.

[poonjoe]

How do I get the banana dance emoticon?

[The Camel]

What, this one?