WSOPE Main Event Hand

[Karabiner]

Raise it to 60k ?

[AlexMartin]

call. anything but call is crazy.

[outragous76]

ask dealer to spread pot................

ask devil how much he is playing.................

tank...................

Jam

make most of ur image

(devilfish is no mug - hes gonna be super suspicious of the call. Also even if the river is a brick you might struggle to get paid  much as you are first to act. If he has a hand or even a middling holding you get paid by jamming the turn).

[Karabiner]

call. anything but call is crazy.

The trouble with flatting this raise as I see it is what are you then going to do on the river as a bet looks well suss.

[mondatoo]

call. anything but call is crazy.

If it was me playing i'd have a much tighter image then keith's and then i would call and look to take him to valuetown on the river,but with keiths aggro image won't it just look like we have a monster if we flat it or more importantly wont the fish call a rr with most of his image that he would raise with in the 1st place,and if the fish is on a total bluff then once we flat he's not putting anything more into the pot.

[action man]

flat and snap check/check blind on the riv, agree with alex, 3betting the turn is suicide.

[LeKnave]

flat and snap check/check blind on the riv, agree with alex, 3betting the turn is suicide.

[Ironside]

flat and snap check/check blind on the riv, agree with alex, 3betting the turn is suicide.

why would getting more money with nuts be suicide?
if you check and he checks river then surely thats worse than 3 betting turn?

[outragous76]

flat and snap check/check blind on the riv, agree with alex, 3betting the turn is suicide.

huh?

so we potentially make nothing from holding the nuts?

I know you are expecting devilfish to pounce on the weakness, and i dont think the line is terrible, but you are relying on devilfish having nothing to bet as  a bluff on the end for you to get paid - and he can also name his own price. Surely his raise on the turn suggests he might have something in which case we should try and max out.

On the turn he isnt passing a set, top 2 (or any 2pr hands maybe) possibly a trappy play big ace, or  a big flush draw or nut flush combo draw.

By calling the raise you are letting him get there with some of his holdings - and the baord could end up so bad that he might not put any more money in after you check.

Cant see that line being the way to maximise unless he has air - and i dont think he does. Even so, I assume you are c/r ai on the river to a blank and he isnt calling with any bluff hand

[Graham C]

I'd flat the raise and lead out on the river.

[mondatoo]

I'd flat the raise and lead out on the river.

But what hands would you do this with and what hand do you think the fish will call with on the river that he wouldn't call/jam a rr on the turn,imo flatting the turn and either leading or c/r the river is a much stronger line and less likely to get anymore chips out of the fish.

Imo the fish's range here is Axs,2pr or a Set all of which i think he will get it in with against keith on the turn,if the rivers a brick i think he can get away from a lot of his range that he would get it in with on the turn

Good thread and i look for to reading the next level of thinking of why flatting is best in this spot

[Ironside]

i am thinking the fish could have a pair and a straight draw here

something like T9 or JT
or he could have spade draw with the T

from the line he has taken the only way money is going in on river is if he hits


get it in now and do this by allowing him wiggle room to shove over top with his semi bluff

unless you want to play pot control with so many chips behind

[Rookie (Rodney)]

flat the turn plssssssssssssss

check the river

[bookiebasher]

i am thinking the fish could have a pair and a straight draw here

something like T9 or JT
or he could have spade draw with the T

from the line he has taken the only way money is going in on river is if he hits


get it in now and do this by allowing him wiggle room to shove over top with his semi bluff

unless you want to play pot control with so many chips behind

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[AlexMartin]

i am thinking the fish could have a pair and a straight draw here

something like T9 or JT
or he could have spade draw with the T

from the line he has taken the only way money is going in on river is if he hits


get it in now and do this by allowing him wiggle room to shove over top with his semi bluff

unless you want to play pot control with so many chips behind

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he is literally NEVER going to semibluffshove after we 3b the turn.

Compare his turn call/jam over a 3bet range to his river value bet/bluff range and its burning money to bet/3bet turn. Our image is aggressive, not maniacal.

Only reason to be 3b jamming the turn would be for protection (cant really be for value v other made hands since he will prolly fold most 2 pairs to this action), but with 1 card to come holding the nuts, protection = overrated.