Monkey Staking II

[dino1980]

call! Stacks are closely bunched (if your table is anything to go on) you can't yet fold to a seat and you've got QQ. If you're considering folding QQ here then please open smaller.

[Ironside]

open smaller then snap

[NoflopsHomer]

We stop slowrolling.

[Longy]

We stop slowrolling.

This and opening 3.5x then not having a plan if someone shoves is ridic.

[matt674]

blinds and antes mean that there's 2300 in every pot to start so with my blind there's 3300 - my standard raise into a pot this size would be 2000-2500 hence on this occasion my bet of 3500.

Just wanted to see if anyone would pass - it was one of those where as soon as he went all in and he was one of only 2 people to have me covered i knew it was going to be a set up, just hoped he had AK and we were racing

PokerStars Game #42171730040: Tournament #257518470, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2010/04/04 15:21:43 WET [2010/04/04 10:21:43 ET]
Table '257518470 2' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: dlna09 (17158 in chips)
Seat 2: BLACKLUIS (22544 in chips)
Seat 3: prince1970 (42644 in chips)
Seat 4: EdisonEdinho (24420 in chips)
Seat 5: prapavedi (18578 in chips)
Seat 6: matt674 (24970 in chips)
Seat 7: Kunstt (19945 in chips)
Seat 9: u5qj7hj (28629 in chips)
dlna09: posts the ante 100
BLACKLUIS: posts the ante 100
prince1970: posts the ante 100
EdisonEdinho: posts the ante 100
prapavedi: posts the ante 100
matt674: posts the ante 100
Kunstt: posts the ante 100
u5qj7hj: posts the ante 100
dlna09: posts small blind 500
BLACKLUIS: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
prince1970: folds
EdisonEdinho: folds
prapavedi: folds
matt674: raises 2500 to 3500
Kunstt: folds
u5qj7hj: raises 25029 to 28529 and is all-in
dlna09: folds
BLACKLUIS: folds
matt674: calls 21370 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3659) returned to u5qj7hj
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
matt674: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
u5qj7hj: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
u5qj7hj collected 52040 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 52040 | Rake 0
Board [ ] [] []
Seat 1: dlna09 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: BLACKLUIS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: prince1970 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EdisonEdinho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: prapavedi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: matt674 showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: Kunstt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: u5qj7hj (button) showed [ ] and won (52040) with two pair, Aces and Kings

[thetank]

cool story bro

[pokerfan]

Open smaller then fold

[Claw75]

blinds and antes mean that there's 2300 in every pot to start so with my blind there's 3300

which is why you should be raising smaller than w/o antes to avoid inflating the pot too much, and to leave you room to fold if someone shoves (although I still probs call)

[Ironside]

matt seriously just take a look of my result pre and post reducing the opening bet size

after antes come in reduce the bet to 2-2.5x

[matt674]

double edged sword though isnt it - if i put in minimum raise it only takes one caller to price in both the blind, then we have a pot exactly the same size but three times the number of players to contend with.

yes its easier to get away from but then you are less likely to know where you stand with QQ when the flop comes 9-5-2

surely as the tournament gets the meaty end you'd rather take blinds and antes uncontested than have to play multiway pot?

[thetank]

The sword may have more than one edge, but it's usually a weapon best held by the hilt and not the blade.

When you raise with QQ you're looking for everybody to fold?

[Ironside]

double edged sword though isnt it - if i put in minimum raise it only takes one caller to price in both the blind, then we have a pot exactly the same size but three times the number of players to contend with.

yes its easier to get away from but then you are less likely to know where you stand with QQ when the flop comes 9-5-2

surely as the tournament gets the meaty end you'd rather take blinds and antes uncontested than have to play multiway pot?

you will be amazed at how often you win pots uncontested and if blinds are calling oop with poor hands then its more for you to win

the coninuation on flop often gets through in tight spots too

and if you meet resitance you get away and you havent dont too many chips

[matt674]

The sword may have more than one edge, but it's usually a weapon best held by the hilt and not the blade.

When you raise with QQ you're looking for everybody to fold?

If this was a regular tournament then no i dont want everyone to fold - but then at the same time i dont want a family pot either

In a satellite with 10 seats then yes i'm happy just to keep above average chips and take the blinds and antes once per orbit without any callers as i'm guaranteed a seat

double edged sword though isnt it - if i put in minimum raise it only takes one caller to price in both the blind, then we have a pot exactly the same size but three times the number of players to contend with.

yes its easier to get away from but then you are less likely to know where you stand with QQ when the flop comes 9-5-2

surely as the tournament gets the meaty end you'd rather take blinds and antes uncontested than have to play multiway pot?

you will be amazed at how often you win pots uncontested and if blinds are calling oop with poor hands then its more for you to win

the coninuation on flop often gets through in tight spots too

and if you meet resitance you get away and you havent dont too many chips

I'll try it - to be honest my experiences with online poker in the past (especially low level buy ins on stars) is that people are not capable of laying down hands, people will call with any two if they think its cheap enough to see a flop.

[matt674]

i'll win this if it kills me


PokerStars Game #42479665457: Tournament #261592924, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2010/04/10 23:52:09 WET [2010/04/10 18:52:09 ET]
Table '261592924 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Von der Berg (37156 in chips)
Seat 4: matt674 (232844 in chips)
Von der Berg: posts the ante 400
matt674: posts the ante 400
matt674: posts small blind 2000
Von der Berg: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: calls 2000
Von der Berg: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Von der Berg: bets 8000
matt674: raises 8000 to 16000
Von der Berg: raises 16756 to 32756 and is all-in
matt674: calls 16756
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Von der Berg: shows [ ] (a flush, King high)
matt674: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
Von der Berg collected 74312 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 74312 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 2: Von der Berg (big blind) showed [ ] and won (74312) with a flush, King high
Seat 4: matt674 (button) (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Nines

PokerStars Game #42479763389: Tournament #261592924, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2000/4000) - 2010/04/10 23:54:28 WET [2010/04/10 18:54:28 ET]
Table '261592924 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Von der Berg (59112 in chips)
Seat 4: matt674 (210888 in chips)
Von der Berg: posts the ante 400
matt674: posts the ante 400
matt674: posts small blind 2000
Von der Berg: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: calls 2000
Von der Berg: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Von der Berg: bets 4000
matt674: raises 12000 to 16000
Von der Berg: raises 38712 to 54712 and is all-in
matt674: calls 38712
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Von der Berg: shows [ ] (a straight, Six to Ten)
matt674: shows [ ] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Von der Berg collected 118224 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 118224 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 2: Von der Berg (big blind) showed [ ] and won (118224) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 4: matt674 (button) (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Eights and Sevens

[matt674]

thankfully it didnt kill me

PokerStars Game #42480150826: Tournament #261592924, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2500/5000) - 2010/04/11 0:05:06 WET [2010/04/10 19:05:06 ET]
Table '261592924 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Von der Berg (104124 in chips)
Seat 4: matt674 (165876 in chips)
Von der Berg: posts the ante 500
matt674: posts the ante 500
matt674: posts small blind 2500
Von der Berg: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to matt674 [ ]
matt674: raises 5000 to 10000
Von der Berg: calls 5000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Von der Berg: checks
matt674: bets 14000
Von der Berg: raises 14000 to 28000
matt674: raises 127376 to 155376 and is all-in
Von der Berg: calls 65624 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (61752) returned to matt674
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Von der Berg: shows [ ] (a pair of Jacks)
matt674: shows [ ] (a pair of Queens)
matt674 collected 208248 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 208248 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 2: Von der Berg (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: matt674 (button) (small blind) showed [ ] and won (208248) with a pair of Queens