Big mistake - What's my get out?

[kinboshi]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

Generally we should be passing this hand to the 3-bet at this stage with our stack. We're only calling because we've 4-bet and are now committed maths wise.

So we're just bluff raising pre?

Does this make all of our late position raises very exploitable?

Aren't you just bluff-raising pre?  You want them to fold, or possibly call if you can bluff them off the hand again (unless you hit obviously).  When they re-raise, any further re-raise is a continuation of the bluff that you started originally.

If you're raising from the same position every orbit, then you are going to be susceptible to a re-raise that you really can't (or shouldn't call).  Surely that's why you mix it up a bit?

[dino1980]

If i'm 4-betting here, i'm giving him the shipping news and jamming.

[EvilPie]

If i'm 4-betting here, i'm giving him the shipping news and jamming.

Yeah I think I should've done this.

If I'm not 4 betting to induce I should be 4 betting with FE to get him to pass a better hand.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

If i'm 4-betting here, i'm giving him the shipping news and jamming.

Yeah I think I should've done this.

If I'm not 4 betting to induce I should be 4 betting with FE to get him to pass a better hand.

But not with 33 bigs.

Should just have raise folded, now just steam call tho.

[marcin123]

Call and laugh when you bink the  on the river to crack his kings

[booder]

call and cry when unbelievably you dont crack his  AA

[EvilPie]

If i'm 4-betting here, i'm giving him the shipping news and jamming.

Yeah I think I should've done this.

If I'm not 4 betting to induce I should be 4 betting with FE to get him to pass a better hand.

But not with 33 bigs.

Should just have raise folded, now just steam call tho.

Yeah I did look at the shove but it was too much. I just got a bit stubborn. Doh!!!!

Raise fold definitely best option or even fold pre.

So what hand do you need here for it to be a happy call rather than a steam one?

[810ofclubs]

If i'm 4-betting here, i'm giving him the shipping news and jamming.

Yeah I think I should've done this.

If I'm not 4 betting to induce I should be 4 betting with FE to get him to pass a better hand.

But not with 33 bigs.

Should just have raise folded, now just steam call tho.

Yeah I did look at the shove but it was too much. I just got a bit stubborn. Doh!!!!

Raise fold definitely best option or even fold pre.

So what hand do you need here for it to be a happy call rather than a steam one?

any stats or previous on villian? opr etcetc

[poonjoe]

So I've made a huge error but now what? Do I compound that error by calling because I've got the right price against everything but AA?

You compound the error by folding, you have a chance to redeem yourself by calling, flopping  , then re-posting this hand in a bad beat forum when the turn comes the  and the 

[EvilPie]

So I've made a huge error but now what? Do I compound that error by calling because I've got the right price against everything but AA?

You compound the error by folding, you have a chance to redeem yourself by calling, flopping  , then re-posting this hand in a bad beat forum when the turn comes the  and the 

But that would've cost me 50p.

After making this mistake I knew I'd be needing the half a quid to rebuild my bankroll.

[Blatch]

Clear fold to 3-bet.

Once 4 bet then snap off his shove, and then obviously post on here when you've been knocked out by JJ, cos you havent got run good dimes behind you.

Please never mention, not raising, in this spot again pre.

[yorky34]

raise was fine but fold to a reraise , but call after 4 betting 

[MANTIS01]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

I think you're taking this raise with a plan idea to the extreme buddy. This all sounds a bit weird actually. You don't need to think about some "eventual plan" to open a pot in late pos with a suited Ace. Opening cos you probably have the best hand is a good enough reason to take the initiative. If you have aggro 3-betting villains to your left then ok you can think further ahead. The problem here is just you make a impatient tilty snap-decision. The plan should be to avoid that if you can.

[GreekStein]

It doesnt even matter Matt cos we're going Ireland tomorrow! oioi

[EvilPie]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

I think you're taking this raise with a plan idea to the extreme buddy. This all sounds a bit weird actually. You don't need to think about some "eventual plan" to open a pot in late pos with a suited Ace. Opening cos you probably have the best hand is a good enough reason to take the initiative. If you have aggro 3-betting villains to your left then ok you can think further ahead. The problem here is just you make a impatient tilty snap-decision. The plan should be to avoid that if you can.

Yup. I hope to in future 

I think the fold to 3 bet for future use as much as anything would've been worthwhile. Would hopefully give me a chance to 4 bet shove him a bit later when not quite so deep and improve my FE chances.

I just don't like to be exploitable in late position and raise folding is definitely that.

Obviously 4 bet folding is even more exploitable .........