Big mistake - What's my get out?

[Royal Flush]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

I think you're taking this raise with a plan idea to the extreme buddy. This all sounds a bit weird actually. You don't need to think about some "eventual plan" to open a pot in late pos with a suited Ace. Opening cos you probably have the best hand is a good enough reason to take the initiative. If you have aggro 3-betting villains to your left then ok you can think further ahead. The problem here is just you make a impatient tilty snap-decision. The plan should be to avoid that if you can.

Yup. I hope to in future 

I think the fold to 3 bet for future use as much as anything would've been worthwhile. Would hopefully give me a chance to 4 bet shove him a bit later when not quite so deep and improve my FE chances.

I just don't like to be exploitable in late position and raise folding is definitely that.

Obviously 4 bet folding is even more exploitable .........

Unless you get action 50%+ of the time its hard to be exploited.

[EvilPie]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

I think you're taking this raise with a plan idea to the extreme buddy. This all sounds a bit weird actually. You don't need to think about some "eventual plan" to open a pot in late pos with a suited Ace. Opening cos you probably have the best hand is a good enough reason to take the initiative. If you have aggro 3-betting villains to your left then ok you can think further ahead. The problem here is just you make a impatient tilty snap-decision. The plan should be to avoid that if you can.

Yup. I hope to in future 

I think the fold to 3 bet for future use as much as anything would've been worthwhile. Would hopefully give me a chance to 4 bet shove him a bit later when not quite so deep and improve my FE chances.

I just don't like to be exploitable in late position and raise folding is definitely that.

Obviously 4 bet folding is even more exploitable .........

Unless you get action 50%+ of the time its hard to be exploited.

Yeah I guess so. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I guess I need to stop being so stubborn in late position.

[the sicilian]

Uve made a standard small ball nick raise which going in ur folding to a reraise unless v serial re raiser. The whole point of the initial raise is to nick blinds not get involved in a war with serious marginal..thats the whole ethos of the small ball play..once u get into 4 bet mode u have to call and hope to run like a shrewdie

[titaniumbean]

You're never 4 betting to fold with these stack sizes if you think he's re-stealing against your steal jam it in his eye pre.

[MANTIS01]

So general concensus seems to be call.

Does this mean that it's ok to 4 bet this hand if our plan is to snap the shove?

Or should we pass to his 3 bet?

And if we are passing to his 3 bet does that mean that we should just pass pre as we know that by raising in the first place our eventual plan is to get the lot in?

I think you're taking this raise with a plan idea to the extreme buddy. This all sounds a bit weird actually. You don't need to think about some "eventual plan" to open a pot in late pos with a suited Ace. Opening cos you probably have the best hand is a good enough reason to take the initiative. If you have aggro 3-betting villains to your left then ok you can think further ahead. The problem here is just you make a impatient tilty snap-decision. The plan should be to avoid that if you can.

Yup. I hope to in future 

I think the fold to 3 bet for future use as much as anything would've been worthwhile. Would hopefully give me a chance to 4 bet shove him a bit later when not quite so deep and improve my FE chances.

I just don't like to be exploitable in late position and raise folding is definitely that.

Obviously 4 bet folding is even more exploitable .........

Unless you get action 50%+ of the time its hard to be exploited.

Yeah I guess so. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I guess I need to stop being so stubborn in late position.

Yeah, the being so stubborn is the exploitable thing, not the raising. Anyway, if you raise/fold you can hopefully exploit that image yourself should you pick up a hand. If you open fold the A here cos of this "eventual plan" theory what hands are you raising with in late position.....premium? Good luck getting action if you only ever raise with Aces here. At the poker table when someone tells me they never bluff I tell them they're shit.