ruling

[Cf]

When at Naps the other day I witnessed many dealer errors, and a lot of rulings were required. This one happened on my tables. What does everyone think should happen here?

It's the crazy rebuy game where you start with 10 big blinds. Most of the table see a flop of J33. Player A bets 500 (from a stack of 1000) and Player B goes all in for 900. It folds all the way back around to Player A, who at this point throws his cards (J4) face up into the middle of the table, without saying call or placing his remaining 500 chip over the line. Player B proudly shows his 10 high, and the dealer awards the pot to Player B. Player A says "wait a minute, i called!"

Now, I thought this one was pretty clear cut, but with the amount of arguing it caused maybe not..

[Ironside]

if he doesnt announce it or put the chips in then his hand is folded when he exposed it

[BulldozerD]

i'd have thought hand was dead

[bobAlike]

if he doesnt announce it or put the chips in then his hand is folded when he exposed it

This + give him a slap for angle shooting.

[gatso]

how is the hand ever ruled dead here?

both hands are live and A has the option to call or pass

it is, just about, possible for it to be ruled a fold if the dealer thinks it was the players inention to pass. however it quite clearly wasn't as no-one ever passes a jack here

depending on the house rules (whether or not you are allowed to expose cards) A may also get a penalty after the hand

[kukushkin88]

if he doesnt announce it or put the chips in then his hand is folded when he exposed it

This + give him a slap for angle shooting.

No reason at all to think he's angle shooting here. Just looks like he made a mistake. Barring a specific house rule about not exposing your cards he still has the option to call.

[doubleup]

 Both hands ruled dead, chips thrown in a bin and both players told to to gtfo and never come back.

[gatso]

if he doesnt announce it or put the chips in then his hand is folded when he exposed it

This + give him a slap for angle shooting.

No reason at all to think he's angle shooting here. Just looks like he made a mistake. Barring a specific house rule about not exposing your cards he still has the option to call.

even if there is a house rule he still has the option to call. that rule only gives the td the option of a penalty, the hand is still live regardless

[gatso]

unless obv they have a rule saying that exposing cards means your hand is dead but then you really shouldn't play there as they're making it up as they go along

[Longy]

 Both hands ruled dead, chips thrown in a bin and both players told to to gtfo and never come back.

This, with compulsory vasectomy's to be enforced, so these people can't breed.

[Girgy85]

 Both hands ruled dead, chips thrown in a bin and both players told to to gtfo and never come back.

this just made me lol

[Ironside]

Player A, who at this point throws his cards (J4) face up into the middle of the table, without saying call or placing his remaining 500 chip over the line.

thats not just  exposing the cards though its folding

players often do this when they say hey i wasnt stealing i had a hand

[Cf]

it is, just about, possible for it to be ruled a fold if the dealer thinks it was the players inention to pass. however it quite clearly wasn't as no-one ever passes a jack here

That's just about the crux of the matter. It's pretty clear given the hands that he intended to call, as obviously no-one passes a jack here. But not all instances will be as obvious as this. Is it really up to the dealer/td to infer what a players intentions were from this? What if he turned over A high? Do we assume that's a call? What if he turns over 4 high? Do we assume that's a fold?


I thought this was a clear dead hand. He's thrown his cards over the betting line without announcing an action. To me that's a fold, face up or not. It's not up to the dealer to decide whether you were calling or not based on the action as you could angle shoot like crazy. A lot of players will often bluff, get raised, and throw their hand face up in the middle to show that they were only bluffing or whatever. There has to be one rule here, we can't start basing it on what cards are shown.

TD ruled it as a fold.

[gatso]

He's thrown his cards over the betting line without announcing an action. To me that's a fold, face up or not.

sigh, I thought better of you nana. wtf has a betting line got to do with folding?

[Cf]

He's thrown his cards over the betting line without announcing an action. To me that's a fold, face up or not.

sigh, I thought better of you nana. wtf has a betting line got to do with folding?

Well nothing really. I always find them pointless. I just used it instead of saying "he threw his cards away in a forward motion"