IPO- 3 painful hands....

[AlexMartin]

OK so obv I called and lost against 99 even tho the door card was an ace (I run so bad)

I abs agree that this was the biggest mistake I made and should have folded. I called for the maths and should have thought more about tourney position. It was 145k a round, I could pic the dead 185k quite easily. I didn't think about it for long enough and have been guilty of this before. Lesson learnt.

Second hand:

I now have approx 1.4m in chips. Still table chip leader. Blinds are still 40k/80k/5k. It folds round to be in the sb. Tight French player has 580k total with 80k in the BB. What range of hands should I be putting the big blind in with?

if the guy is super tight i dont mind 165k/fold tbh.

If the guy is super tight ATC is even more profitable!

hes never exploiting your min.....

[poonjoe]

We can shove ATC its profitable...

Yeh you can minr but what about the times he flats?

[MANTIS01]

I don't think you can disconnect hands from each other and I think there is deffo an element of spiral spew in this sequence. The reasons for calling in hand 1 are clearly questionable. The pot is offering 2-1 when everything about the situation suggests you have maybe 30% equity at best. So the maths is out. Calling to show people you wont fold in a very tight game where players wont be pushing light vs the CL anyway doesn't influence much of anything imo. What calling does is expose how light you're prepared to get your chips in. From that point on your aggression lacks the fear factor it could have from a perceived solid image. So hand 2 is a much easier call for villain than it would be from a tighter image. Those 2 things are connected.

I also think the eagerness to just jam hand 2 stems from losing Hand 1 and getting a bit tilty. Min raise is at least an option. Hand 3 is also a marginal jam considering you have just shown A-5 and Q-10. For me I would question the necessity to get so aggro and get your chips in so readily. Yeah usually you can beat a tight game in this aggro fashion but with 2x ft average you have at least some time to build a more credible solid image to trade off. There is enough in these pots and your stack that you don't really want or need action...but the hands you're showing will give you plenty imo. Good result anyway though dude.

[Longy]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

[Numpty Dumpty]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

yup, 2 and 3 are straightforward shoves

[George2Loose]

Yeh I think 2 and 3 are straightfoward.

1 was deffo the one that screwed me. Had I folded that who knows? Oh well- live and learn and move on!!!

[MANTIS01]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

[poonjoe]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

But the stacks are so short its not a question of playing post-flop anymore, building image etc etc. Its shove or fold.

[GreekStein]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

Are you joking?

Have you seen the blinds and the stacks?

[MANTIS01]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

Are you joking?

Have you seen the blinds and the stacks?

the blinds and stacks give you the excuse to raise every other hand? Hero can build a credible & profitable image raising less often imo. The fact you guys think the big CL is so shallow means raising light & often from a loose image into much shorter stacks isn't optimum in this situation imo. But yeah them blinds are big.

[George2Loose]

It was too late to build any credibility at this stage

[GreekStein]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

Are you joking?

Have you seen the blinds and the stacks?

the blinds and stacks give you the excuse to raise every other hand? Hero can build a credible & profitable image raising less often imo. The fact you guys think the big CL is so shallow means raising light & often from a loose image into much shorter stacks isn't optimum in this situation imo. But yeah them blinds are big.

lol mantisaments

[poonjoe]

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

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Are you joking?

Have you seen the blinds and the stacks?

the blinds and stacks give you the excuse to raise every other hand? Hero can build a credible & profitable image raising less often imo. The fact you guys think the big CL is so shallow means raising light & often from a loose image into much shorter stacks isn't optimum in this situation imo. But yeah them blinds are big.

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If you've done yr homework solving shove/fold problems and ICM then you will recognise that George's action in 2 and 3 is simply SHOVE. This can be proven mathematically.

[MANTIS01]

I don't know why hands that are mathmatically proven to be correct are put on PHA for discussion. What is there to discuss here? I think there are ways and means to build a credible image in hero's position in a live game, but hero thinks it's too late for that. I think hero helps to turn a tight game loose from a dominant position and that does him no favours. If hero is gonna find himself mathmatically compelled to push after the A-5 then why is he raising/getting it in with that hand and putting himself in that position? The tournament has gone wrong for hero and maintaining that the in a vacuum maths made him a mere passenger in this tight live game is quite ridiculous and leads to zero discussion.

[poonjoe]

Errr... I think i agree with you but i'm not sure...