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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 11:47:38 AM » |
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Errr... I think i agree with you but i'm not sure...
Mantis does that to a lot of people. |
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Motivational speeches at their best:
"Because thats what living is, the 6 inches in front of your face......" - Patrick Leonard - 10th May 2015
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2009, 12:38:15 AM » |
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I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.
Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.  ?? Are you joking? Have you seen the blinds and the stacks? the blinds and stacks give you the excuse to raise every other hand? Hero can build a credible & profitable image raising less often imo. The fact you guys think the big CL is so shallow means raising light & often from a loose image into much shorter stacks isn't optimum in this situation imo. But yeah them blinds are big. ? If you've done yr homework solving shove/fold problems and ICM then you will recognise that George's action in 2 and 3 is simply SHOVE. This can be proven mathematically. Im not saying shoving is not optimal, but between shoving and folding there are sometimes even more +EV lines. Limiting your choices in a blinkered "let the math do the work" is kinda lazy imo. Mantis always brings balance to debate, i agree with about 60% he says, agree to disagree with 20% and think hes wrong the minority of the time, but he does take poker beyond the fundamentals in his thinking imo. |
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« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2009, 12:42:57 AM » |
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Yeh well said Alex but my thinking is with stacks this short to raise and then fold a hand that was good enough to raise with is euuughhhhhhhh, whether yr folding it pre or post.
Of course that kind of goes out of the window if yr actually playing with people so nitty and so desperate to get 9th place money that they will roll over and let you blatantly abuse them with minraises.
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"Every time the action is on you, its your opportunity to make the perfect play"- Phil Galfond
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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2010, 12:20:20 AM » |
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Still hurts- and a Mantis/Greeky fight to boot. weeeeeeeeee
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« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2010, 06:05:13 AM » |
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First one I sigh fold - if we always have 3 outs here we're not getting the right price anyway.
Second one I'm shoving all but the bottom 10% and even with those I don't think it would be a mistake
Third one is also obv a shove
Try not to be results oriented? I think you played all of them fine. Just run better deep in tournaments
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« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2010, 11:53:11 AM » |
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Just run better deep in tournaments
hahahahahah nice level You know who George2Loose is right? |
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2010, 01:16:05 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2010, 02:22:36 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
runaboveevmuch.com |
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George2Loose
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2010, 04:35:24 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
runaboveevmuch.com livepro.com |
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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2010, 04:42:23 PM » |
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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2010, 04:51:19 PM » |
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Cos started it.
He'll be offering to play heads up soon
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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2010, 09:20:00 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
runaboveevmuch.com cantbeatonline.com lol |
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2010, 10:40:21 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
runaboveevmuch.com cantbeatonline.com lol can'tbeatmantissohavekissedandmadeup.com |
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« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2010, 10:55:01 PM » |
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Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?
runaboveevmuch.com cantbeatonline.com lol can'tbeatmantissohavekissedandmadeup.com Haha gg Cos |
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