George2Loose
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« on: October 20, 2009, 03:39:04 PM » |
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OK here’s the deal. I’ll be posting these up on the report but I want views on how I played these 3 hands which ended up in me busting the main event at the IPO in Dublin.
The situation:
We are 12/13 handed on all of these hands. People are getting ready for the final. Waivers have been handed round as well as forms for people to complete player profiles. Food has just been served so I’m pretty sure people will be tightening up for the final so I want to (rightly or wrongly) try and be aggressive to pick up more chips for the final.
My image is fairly loose. I’ve been opening a lot of pots although in the last two rounds I’ve opened 4 pots (we’re 5/6 handed) and shown AQ a couple of times.
Hand 1:
We’re 5 handed and I have 2.1 million chips which covers my opponents. I should mention that there are only 12 million chips in play so I am already double the average stack for the final table.
I look down at A5. The blinds are 40k/80 with a running ante of 5k. I open to 185k (my standard raise at this level).
It folds to the small blind who shoves for 645k total. I am absolutely certain I am losing. He is a solid player who would not put his chips in light at this stage. The action is back to me and it’s 460k so call out of my 2 million stack.
With the antes there’s 935k (185k+185k+25k+80k+460k) in the middle and it’s costing me 460k to call so I’m getting exactly 2/1 to call. Should I take the maths or conserve my tournament position?
I’ll post the other two hands later once I’ve had feedback in this first one…..
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the sicilian
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 03:48:19 PM » |
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I would fold...uv made sball nick raise and whatever way you look at it u r pretty much a 3-1 dog..bigger ace pairs 44 +..gives you 3 outs..+ ur read of the guy who doesnt shove light makes it an easy fold imo..
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julian
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 03:54:13 PM » |
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yeah given your read on the player i'd swallow & move onto the next hand edit; this is sat here at home, in your shoes & on the table i might call & send out a message that i'm not raise folding
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« Last Edit: October 20, 2009, 03:57:38 PM by julian »
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pleno1
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 04:12:45 PM » |
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I call this, and make all of it back when I keep raising and raising and they will fold a10-. 88- as they know (think) you arnt going to fold and you pick up so many pots.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Ironside
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 04:48:17 PM » |
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i fold you might have 2 million but thats only 25 big blinds
you call and lose you are really damaging your stack
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 04:52:18 PM » |
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depends on what i had seen from this player etc but if i can keep getting away with steals etc i may just let this one pass as it is pretty marginal.
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Numpty Dumpty
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 05:02:11 PM » |
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I look down at A5. I am absolutely certain I am losing.
I’m getting exactly 2/1 to call. Should I take the maths or conserve my tournament position?
if you have A5 and are absolutely certain you are losing he must have a pair (5-5 or bigger) or a better ace. either way you have 3 outs. in which case you must be worse than a 2-1 underdog, so "taking the maths" (almost always the correct move) means a clear fold. if people are tightening up there will be better spots to pick up chips in small pots than taking a big gamble here. therefore.. fold.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 05:24:05 PM » |
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Dont be a hero
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outragous76
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 05:28:38 PM » |
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I think this is a fold - not nice to donate. That said when you are running good you sometimes see it thru rose tinted glasses. Fwiw I would call with a8 a9
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 05:53:37 PM » |
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. . . . . Or what about (and this obv depends on stacks behind), why not try some meta game and open shove? If you aren't raise folding, then this may get some marginal reshove type hands to fold. Obv if anyone has more than him, then it doesn't work.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2009, 07:09:22 PM » |
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I look down at A5. I am absolutely certain I am losing.
I’m getting exactly 2/1 to call. Should I take the maths or conserve my tournament position?
if you have A5 and are absolutely certain you are losing he must have a pair (5-5 or bigger) or a better ace. either way you have 3 outs. in which case you must be worse than a 2-1 underdog, so "taking the maths" (almost always the correct move) means a clear fold. if people are tightening up there will be better spots to pick up chips in small pots than taking a big gamble here. therefore.. fold. but it's 2/1!!!!
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titaniumbean
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 07:13:38 PM » |
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So we need 30% equity vs his reshoving range. If he's tight it's v close.
edit I don't think you can fault a call though. I just find people reshove so much tighter live that it's prob better to find another spot whilst we still have sick chips.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 11:04:01 PM » |
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thing is, having 2million gives your stack a lot more flexibility than 1.5, esp if u want to screwabout with other bigstacks down the streets. Keep your stack intact imo, fold.
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George2Loose
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 11:20:41 PM » |
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OK so obv I called and lost against 99 even tho the door card was an ace (I run so bad)
I abs agree that this was the biggest mistake I made and should have folded. I called for the maths and should have thought more about tourney position. It was 145k a round, I could pic the dead 185k quite easily. I didn't think about it for long enough and have been guilty of this before. Lesson learnt.
Second hand:
I now have approx 1.4m in chips. Still table chip leader. Blinds are still 40k/80k/5k. It folds round to be in the sb. Tight French player has 580k total with 80k in the BB. What range of hands should I be putting the big blind in with?
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 11:55:30 PM » |
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OK so obv I called and lost against 99 even tho the door card was an ace (I run so bad)
I abs agree that this was the biggest mistake I made and should have folded. I called for the maths and should have thought more about tourney position. It was 145k a round, I could pic the dead 185k quite easily. I didn't think about it for long enough and have been guilty of this before. Lesson learnt.
Second hand:
I now have approx 1.4m in chips. Still table chip leader. Blinds are still 40k/80k/5k. It folds round to be in the sb. Tight French player has 580k total with 80k in the BB. What range of hands should I be putting the big blind in with?
I'd ship just about anything here.
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