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dik9
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« on: October 25, 2009, 07:16:31 AM » |
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The beauty of working at DTD is that there are a number of TD's and Floorstaff that can discuss and talk a ruling through, but this one is slightly unusual as there is a difference of opinion.
Blinds are 75/150
Small blind has 3 x 25 in
Big Blind 6 x 25 in
Folds around to small blind, who takes 2 yellows back and puts in 1 x 500, but didn't say anything, leaving him with 525 in the pot
BB asks dealer whether it is a raise, dealer calls for a ruling.
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jezza777
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 07:26:01 AM » |
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It is a call I think. Once his chips are in the pot For the blind they are not his so he is using one chip , the 500 . One chip in with no verbal goes as a call I think.
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ScottMGee
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 07:53:38 AM » |
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It is a call I think. Once his chips are in the pot For the blind they are not his so he is using one chip , the 500 . One chip in with no verbal goes as a call I think. If he leaves his 3 x 25 in place I would have said its a call, as one chip added to the table. Howver, since he has taken back 2 x 25 then his intention is surely to raise to 525. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 08:12:18 AM » |
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I would say that was a raise, because if he was calling why would he leave the third 25 in, which doesn't really help you get him change? Surely he would take all three 25s back and put the one chip in if it was a call, or at least not take any 25s back and complete with the 500? This is of course dependent on what other chips he has remaining, if he has more than enough 100s and 25s to make a combination of 150, that weights it even more towards a raise.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 09:26:39 AM » |
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Raise for me. A player is entitled to pull his own chips back in this spot so if he wantd to call but didn't have change then he should prob pull his 150 back first before throwing the 500. As the 25 in there is his I'd rule it as a 2 chip bet so 525.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 09:29:11 AM » |
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If the button put in 525 there would be no debate about whether it was a raise or not, so why is the sb any different?
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Girgy85
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 09:32:05 AM » |
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Raise for me. A player is entitled to pull his own chips back in this spot so if he wantd to call but didn't have change then he should prob pull his 75 back first before throwing the 500. As the 25 in there is his I'd rule it as a 2 chip bet so 525.
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gatso
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 10:43:45 AM » |
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100% a raise. if he meant to call then there is no reason for his actions
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Ironside
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 10:52:13 AM » |
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100% a raise. if he meant to call then there is no reason for his actions
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outragous76
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 10:53:29 AM » |
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100% a raise. if he meant to call then there is no reason for his actions
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 10:56:03 AM » |
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yep deffo a raise imo. surprised it was even queried tbh.
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dik9
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 11:23:14 AM » |
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If the button put in 525 there would be no debate about whether it was a raise or not, so why is the sb any different?
If the SB had 3 x 25 chips and simply just threw a 500 chip on top it is only seen as a call (if the button put 575 it is a raise). If the SB took the 75 back and threw a 500 chip in, it is a call. The arguement is technically, as a blind is a forced bet, all the player has done is to throw in an oversize chip. If he took the 75 back and then threw 525 in it would be a raise, but TECHNICALLY and literally an oversize chip has been thrown in, the rule doesn't say anything about taking a chip out of the pot (as the player really shouldn't be having his hands in the pot in the first place) |
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outragous76
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 11:28:26 AM » |
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but surely by leaving 1 chip in, i shows a clear intent - he would have absolutely no reason to do it otherwise
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 11:30:04 AM » |
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If he took the 75 back and then threw 525 in it would be a raise,
this is what he has effectively done and it is clearly his intention how was it ruled at the time? |
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 11:31:23 AM » |
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What if the guy was colourblind or unfamiliar/confused about the values of the chips ?
It's a tricky one with no communication from the player.
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