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SirPerceval
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« on: October 25, 2009, 10:39:18 AM » |
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Blinds are 600/1200 ante 100
I have c18500 in mid position with AQo
I raise to 3500. another short stack goes all-in for about 20k, table chip leader calls.
Call or fold?
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George2Loose
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 10:40:45 AM » |
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Snap FOLD!!!
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 10:41:37 AM » |
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"I want to talk about my hand, what do you mean I cant talk about my hand, right im going to talk about the fact that I cant talk about my hand"...
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SirPerceval
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 10:54:25 AM » |
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and leave an "m" of 5 ?
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George2Loose
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 10:59:40 AM » |
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I would leave an "m" of 2 in this spot.
Work in big blinds- it's a better measure
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 11:03:52 AM » |
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I would leave an "m" of 2 in this spot.
Work in big blinds- it's a better measure
+1 11bigs you still have wiggle room and can still get better hands to fold by getting them in first |
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 11:13:29 AM » |
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m is such a strange concept I'm amazed anyone still uses it to make decisions. passing here leaves you with a perfectly workable shoving/reshoving stack with FE
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 11:18:55 AM » |
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m is such a strange concept I'm amazed anyone still uses it to make decisions. passing here leaves you with a perfectly workable shoving/reshoving stack with FE
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 11:44:14 AM » |
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Probably raise less pre too. 2900-3100, that sort of range perhaps.
Is there a case for open shoving this hand? Or is our stack just a little too big for this?
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George2Loose
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 11:49:43 AM » |
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I prefer open shoving in a regular tourney but in an apat tourney raise>>>>fold is fine.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 12:31:24 PM » |
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Clear fold.
What no one has suggested yet is what do you think the chip leader has?
If you were in his shoes and saw an OP to 3500 and a shove for 20k, what would you call with? Im assuming its only a hand that crushes AQ and therefore it should be an insta fold.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 12:45:47 PM » |
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fold vs standard APAT players
raise smaller pre
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 12:48:40 PM » |
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I think calculating your stack in terms of "m" is fine. The point of an "m" number is that it takes into account antes, which is far better than ignoring them by using bbs. You don't have to believe in Harrington strategy as such, it is just a better measure of stack size with antes in play.
As for the hand pretty easy fold, the chip leader I would imagine to have a very tight range here.
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SirPerceval
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 02:34:51 PM » |
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Interested to know more about how people see APAT tournament players.
and why assume they are all the same?
as for the hand, I also think it's an easy fold but unfortunatly didn't see it that way at the time.
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George2Loose
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 02:56:03 PM » |
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Not all of them Stu but the reason APAT tourneys turn into shoots is cos people are so tight.
I can't see the CL calling worse than AQ here.
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