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« on: October 29, 2009, 02:26:20 PM »

Okay don’t normally subject myself to this but been thinking about this hand so here goes, IPO Dublin few weeks back.

Early 2nd level blinds 50/100, 10k starting stack down to 8k after raising a few hands and not getting there or believed. Table has been playing fairly standard apart from one pretty loose guy who has isn’t in the hand. My image is probably fairly aggressive as been pretty active (turned up near end of 1st level so don’t have a lot to go on so far).

In the cut off 2 limpers before me, I have  and make it 500 to play SB (covers me) calls quickly, don’t know much about him except he won the thing the previous year hasn’t been that active etc. Everyone else gets out of the way.

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Thoughts so far and how do you proceed, will try to do this in stages,
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »

i am guessing he checks to you.

i don't actually mind checking back but i guess you could bet to get value out of smaller PPs
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2009, 03:00:58 PM »

yes checked to me
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2009, 03:10:18 PM »

i am betting this here. i need information. if he check-calls, i am obv going to proceed with caution.

if he c-raises, then i am probably going to 4-bet it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2009, 03:38:27 PM »

I am checking back as i can get bluffed easily by betting and can get 2 streets off a wider range when im ahead by checking back.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 03:44:14 PM »

i like to make it 700-800 here if he calls we can check behind on turn and keep some pot control
if we check now he is likely to lead turn and river
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 03:46:22 PM »

I am checking back as i can get bluffed easily by betting and can get 2 streets off a wider range when im ahead by checking back.


Yeah this sounds good.

You're never getting paid on 3 streets so a check disguises the strength of your hand whilst keeping the pot under control for now.

I'm a bit concerned by the SB calling. It's difficult to put him on anything really. I wouldn't be worried about over pairs as he called quickly without really assessing anything. 77 a possibility to consider if the action gets a bit fruity put Jx seems doubtful.

If he's a good player surely he's passing AJ, KJ type hands from the SB?

Could get interesting down the streets.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 03:50:56 PM »

Normally I'd agree with Alex, but this is literally the worst standard of comp I've ever played. If my opponent seems semi decent then I'm happy to check back and go for value on the turn and river but if he's one of 90% ridic donks in that field I'm betting, betting, betting as we won't get exploited by a hand that isn't Jx or 77.
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 03:52:30 PM »

i bet 850... then see what he does... if he calls and checks the turn i check back
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2009, 03:52:59 PM »

i like to make it 700-800 here if he calls we can check behind on turn and keep some pot control
if we check now he is likely to lead turn and river

What if he calls then leads the turn for 2k?

It looks like a float but what if he's got it? Do you want that decision this early?

This is exactly why Alex suggests checking. We can easily be bluffed on this board and a good oppo knows that. He has us covered and can put us to the test using his stack.

If we decide to get stubborn and call his turn lead where are we when he shoves?

Definitely prefer the check. We've got position so use it to our advantage. Don't give the reigns over to him.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »

i bet 850... then see what he does... if he calls and checks the turn i check back

Why?

I don't mind this move if there's a reason but why fire the flop to boost the pot then act weak on the turn?

Are you hoping to induce a bluff on the river? Are you checking back the river? Are you bet / folding the river?

What's the plan?
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 03:59:01 PM »

i like to make it 700-800 here if he calls we can check behind on turn and keep some pot control
if we check now he is likely to lead turn and river

What if he calls then leads the turn for 2k?

It looks like a float but what if he's got it? Do you want that decision this early?

This is exactly why Alex suggests checking. We can easily be bluffed on this board and a good oppo knows that. He has us covered and can put us to the test using his stack.

If we decide to get stubborn and call his turn lead where are we when he shoves?

Definitely prefer the check. We've got position so use it to our advantage. Don't give the reigns over to him.

if he leads the turn then i have to go from reads 

i am not scared to lay this down or to shove but i have to have an idea of who i am against

but i dont want to be checking the flop then calling the turn and river
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 03:59:37 PM »

i bet 850... then see what he does... if he calls and checks the turn i check back

Why?

I don't mind this move if there's a reason but why fire the flop to boost the pot then act weak on the turn?

Are you hoping to induce a bluff on the river? Are you checking back the river? Are you bet / folding the river?

What's the plan?

I see what he does on the river... if he fires i call... if he checks i lead out...
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 04:07:33 PM »

i bet 850... then see what he does... if he calls and checks the turn i check back

Why?

I don't mind this move if there's a reason but why fire the flop to boost the pot then act weak on the turn?

Are you hoping to induce a bluff on the river? Are you checking back the river? Are you bet / folding the river?

What's the plan?

I see what he does on the river... if he fires i call... if he checks i lead out...

And what if he leads the turn for 2k?
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 04:26:48 PM »

Okay interesting he checks to me and i bet 1050, fairly swift call. I had him on a fairly small range due to the swiftness of his call preflop so decided to bet it out. There was no hand in that range that included a jack unless it was JJ and if so gg

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checked to me.
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