alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?

[Lucky]

Salfi - I havent posted on here yet and quite honestly cant be bothered to read it all cos most of the posts on here are written with appauling english and punctuality.

Can you correct if im wrong on a summary please?

1) Your mate who's awesome donks out a comp because you have position on him
2) He decides to play cash with someone heads up that he doesnt know
3) He loses the lot
4) He reloads
5) You see something not quite right with the guy and the cards
6) He has aces first hand back and loses the lot
7) He thinks something is dodgy because of the betting patterns

Is that a fair summary or should I read the whole lot?

I love irony!

[MKKfish]

Salfi - I havent posted on here yet and quite honestly cant be bothered to read it all cos most of the posts on here are written with appauling english and punctuality.

Can you correct if im wrong on a summary please?

1) Your mate who's awesome donks out a comp because you have position on him
2) He decides to play cash with someone heads up that he doesnt know
3) He loses the lot
4) He reloads
5) You see something not quite right with the guy and the cards
6) He has aces first hand back and loses the lot
7) He thinks something is dodgy because of the betting patterns

Is that a fair summary or should I read the whole lot?

Well timed post.

[Horneris]

I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.

norrrrr spoil sport

BAN.

[Linux]

I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.

norrrrr spoil sport

BAN.

die  i mean, thats not nice bh

[Neptune]

Guess I'll chime in as this thread is about me.

I think the comments that we turned down a dealer dealt game and hence it's not the casino's responsibility is stupid.  We're still paying a rake to the casino just a much lesser one and we are still in their environment and hence they have a responsibility towards me to protect me from being cheated by another customer.  In the end they made a decision to ban him and said that nothing would come of it if pursued any further since the evidence is not clear but it's obvious to them as they are in the industry.  All Salfi is basically asking is whether they should be doing more than this (I didn't ask him to post, my personal stance on the matter is fuck it, got cheated, lesson learnt). 

Playing HU where we're not gonna be sat super deep that is raked pretty high is gonna eat up the stacks no matter what so I think it's a perfectly reasonable decision to self deal.  In my mind the guy was not a random, he was a player in Charles Flynn's private game, I had no reason to assume anything other than he was known to Charles and hence was not even considering the possibility of being cheated.

He obviously just spotted the opportunity to cheat me and went for it.  First hand we only sat down with 60bb's, got in a 3bet pot and all money was in on T9JA with me AJ and him QK.  I didn't even blink at this, just thought standard cooler spot.  So whilst I went to the cash desk I wasn't even getting my guard up or becoming remotely suspicious of the guy.  I mean yeah when I got back getting dealt aces seems well suspicious in hindsight but at the time I just wasn't thinking.  I wasn't that awake and was only at Alea to piss around in Cf's private game, wasn't expecting anything remotely serious.  He shuffled in front of me too, I just forgot to cut the deck, I haven't cut a deck in well over a year unless I'm dealing myself, just not used to it being part of the routine anymore, I think it's fair enough I can forget. I think people calling me thick for letting this happen is wrong, I made what I think is an easy mistake to make.  I just don't expect to get scammed in a casino these days.  Plus should I suspect someone that I think is mates with one of my mates from the get go?  Am I supposed to be suspicious of and distrust every person I meet until they prove themselves?  That doesn't sound like the best way to be.

I mean had I had any suspicion after the first hand then I probably would've not stacked off with aces.  But from my pov I got back, got dealt aces (which can happen), and rather than going damn he's scamming me I just naturally clicked the raise button and b4 I had another thought the whole lot was in, I don't think I can be held too accountable for letting that sequence of events occurring.

It twigged after a few hands and I took over the dealing.   I didn't confront him cause it looked like he was gonna stay plus he wasn't that good so I thought I'd just win it back.  I only went over to Salfi when the guy said he was gonna leave in 20 mins.  I told Salfi to get the staff to look over the security.  By the time they'd reached any conclusions he was out the building.

There is a good part to the event.  The guy basically locked down and didn't put any money into future pots and seemed totally content to sit on the "winnings" until he felt he'd played long enough to be able to leave.  There were at least 3 hands in that period where he should've stacked me if he'd played his hands in anyway aggressively but instead failed to take more than a tenner each time.  So I probably came away better for it lol (or maybe he was just that shit and that's how he always played).

Anyway, thanks for the bashing, <3 the internet.

[MKKfish]

To be honest there's a fair bit more info in Neptune's post than in OP and now reads somewhat differently.




I think it's the paragraphs.

[G1BTW]

Guess I'll chime in as this thread is about me.

I think the comments that we turned down a dealer dealt game and hence it's not the casino's responsibility is stupid.  We're still paying a rake to the casino just a much lesser one and we are still in their environment and hence they have a responsibility towards me to protect me from being cheated by another customer.

obv seek legal advice but I suspect you may well be right in this. Ok there's the obvious contrast to everyone between playing against the house and getting cheated and playing against another punter, but I suspect you're protected. You sign up to play games in their premises under their management, it's reasonable to assume that they will monitor all games for fairness and have a reasonable duty of care to you to make sure you're not being scammed in this way.

A casino obv unlikely to admit liability to you, but they wouldn't, would they? Write to them about it, and use the word 'tort' a few times. I've been told this gets lawyers all 'jumpy'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort

[G1BTW]

Negligence
A decomposed snail in Scotland was the humble beginning of the modern law of negligence


Negligence is a tort which depends on the existence of a breach of duty of care owed by one person to another. One well-known case is Donoghue v. Stevenson[6] where Mrs. Donoghue consumed part of a drink containing a decomposed snail while in a public bar in Paisley, Scotland and claimed that it had made her ill. The snail was not visible, as the bottle of ginger beer in which it was contained was opaque. Neither her friend, who bought it for her, nor the shopkeeper who sold it were aware of its presence. The manufacturer was Mr. Stevenson, whom Mrs. Donoghue sued for damages for negligence. She could not sue Mr. Stevenson for damages for breach of contract because there was no contract between them. The majority of the members of the House of Lords agreed (3-2) that Mrs. Donoghue had a valid claim, but disagreed as to why such a claim should exist. Lord MacMillan thought this should be treated as a new product liability case. Lord Atkin argued that the law should recognise a unifying principle that we owe a duty of reasonable care to our neighbors. He quoted the Bible in support of his argument, specifically the general principle that "thou shalt love thy neighbor." The elements of negligence are:

    * Duty of care
    * Breach of that duty
    * Breach being a proximate or not too remote a cause, in law
    * Breach causing harm in fact

If the casino bar served any snaily drinks at the same time they're totally screwed, basically.

[MANTIS01]

I just don't expect to get scammed in a casino these days

What??

[turny]

lol post on here, go out for a curry then return to find your post and the one you commented on deleted!

communism ftw

[justadonk]

I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well. 

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.

[phatomch]

lol, get the banstick at the ready

[jakally]

Welcome to Blonde sir.
Can I just ask why he did not post himself?

[GreekStein]

I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well.  

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.

this post is com.

Why couldn't villain post himself? Also, why didn't he put his name to this post?

Why should anyone care about how much money you are going to make online or what games you play? You forgot to tell us you have a 5 foot cock too.

[justadonk]

The fact of the matter is this

1. Things were said about the Villan not only on this BB but others
2. There is NOTHING on TAPE to prove these claims
3. The villian is NOT banned from any LCI casino
4. The Villian just wanted to put his side of the story
5. There is history between the Villian and the Hero on Ipoker
6. The Hero was pissed and the Villian took advantage not by cheating but by giving him the respect a fish deserves, i.e. felting the mofo.
7. Jacks in preflop for 100 big blinds is pretty standard and 1 in 5 chances your aces will be cracked.

Maybe the fish needs to accept he was totally outplayed and outclassed and by overbetting the turn was playing his cards face up.   The Villan has offered this challenge to the fish.

4 tables HU on tilt @ 2/4, two of which can be NLHE and the other two can be PLO, 500 big blinds deep and play till the money has gone.