Where's Greekstein?

[turny]

i think your all missing the point. whether its 3 days or 3 years doesnt matter.

cos and ben think the punishment is over the top and unnecessary thats the point not the length of time

Well of course they do - because it's them thats been given the punishment.    I don't know many people who think their own punishment is fair.

I'm not sure if it's for us to question it in any case. Obv this is a forum of varying views but the moderating team are the moderating team and we have to trust them to do what they think is right. The forum rules are there for all to see and the moderating team have to make decisions based on that.

3 days is only 3 days, not a lifetime.

so if you got a ban for a week and you didnt think you deserved it that would be fine would it? its only a week not a lifetime?

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[turny]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

is this the same guy that came on spouting about salfis ban being unfair?

[EvilPie]

You think its unfair? tell the person who is 95% sure not to ever return to the forums becasue he was abused on the forums from cos its too long.

It seems unfair because it seems petty to me.

If what was said was that bad they should be banned for longer. Simple as that.

3 days is irrelevant. People don't post for 3 days because they are out on the beer and don't manage to get to their pc. It isn't a real ban. A month is a real ban.

[turny]

3 days seems a bit harsh but then again I don't know what was said.

I won't miss Cos on here at all because I speak to him often anyway. It's definitely a shame if he decides not to post any more though. Not for me but for himself.

I know he enjoys it on here and will miss posting. He took his 1 day ban in a light hearted manner but I know from speaking to him that he knew what he said was out of order. I guess when he was told he had a couple of extra days he just thought "f**k it" why bother.

To be honest I really can't see the point of a 3 day ban. Either a cooler or an indefinite ban is the way to go. If somebody is that bad they shouldn't be posting at all. If someone makes a mistake then a cooler is sufficient. To have ban lengths based on severity of the incident is ridiculous. Who is judge and jury? Do the guys get a chance to defend themselves? It's just not fair.

good post

[kinboshi]

You think its unfair? tell the person who is 95% sure not to ever return to the forums becasue he was abused on the forums from cos its too long.

It seems unfair because it seems petty to me.

If what was said was that bad they should be banned for longer. Simple as that.

3 days is irrelevant. People don't post for 3 days because they are out on the beer and don't manage to get to their pc. It isn't a real ban. A month is a real ban.

Good idea.  I'll see if we can extend it to a month...

[EvilPie]

There isn't a one day ban.  The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence.  Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged.  Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment. 

As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others?  If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.

It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?

I don't think it has made a point and that is the problem.

He had his 24hr cooler and he accepted it. If the mods then said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided that what you said deserves a ban from the forum so you are losing your rights for 1 month" I think Cos would've been shocked.

I think he would've sat down and thought about this and realised that he couldn't get away with what he did.

The fact is the mods got in touch and said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided to stick a couple of extra days on just because we can and that'll show you who's boss".

One of these looks like a genuine punishment for doing something wrong. The other, and I'm sorry to use this term again just seems petty.

[Acidmouse]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

I totally disagree with this. Mods are there to ensure the smooth running of the forum but it's not "their" forum. It's our forum, all the members no matter how many times they post are the forum. Without them there isn't a forum.

Everybody's opinion on this matter is important. Nobody who has an opinion here should keep quiet and let the mods get on with it.

You haven't kept quiet on the subject and that is fine. You and others have argued that you agree with the mods. I and others have argued that we disagree. Some others have simply said they don't mind either way.

The day that people stop caring about these things is the day the forum dies. Without discussioon you don't have a forum.

disagree with what? i never said it was their forum, but the mods simply have to enforce the rules everyone knows about prior to breaking them. Everyones opinion frankly is not important as 99.9% of people don't know both sides to the story or have seen every deleted post on the thread, so that's why we place our trust the mods to use their knowledge and experience to deal with it.

I have not kept quiet you are right and I see nothing wrong with a good debate, cos, rooks and safi are grownup adults when they abused other members I am sure they were aware of what might happen, but lets not be under any illusions telling the mods they are out of touch, clueless, inconsistent, "insert numerous insults" helps no one. The mods are not the bad guys here

[Acidmouse]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

is this the same guy that came on spouting about salfis ban being unfair?

No..I have no idea what he did so how could I possibly make assumptions like that?

[kinboshi]

There isn't a one day ban.  The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence.  Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged.  Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment. 

As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others?  If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.

It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?

I don't think it has made a point and that is the problem.

He had his 24hr cooler and he accepted it. If the mods then said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided that what you said deserves a ban from the forum so you are losing your rights for 1 month" I think Cos would've been shocked.

I think he would've sat down and thought about this and realised that he couldn't get away with what he did.

The fact is the mods got in touch and said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided to stick a couple of extra days on just because we can and that'll show you who's boss".

One of these looks like a genuine punishment for doing something wrong. The other, and I'm sorry to use this term again just seems petty.

You haven't read my post.  The 24-hour cooler isn't a ban.  It's a holding period to prevent a situation escalating any further.  During that 24-hour period, a ban is determined.  In this case 3 days, however it's looking as though it will be a self-imposed lifetime ban.  But that's his choice.  As it was to flame and effectively bully another member of the forum. 

There are lots of unmoderated forums out there for people to use if they don't like or won't abide to the rules on blonde. 

[EvilPie]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

I totally disagree with this. Mods are there to ensure the smooth running of the forum but it's not "their" forum. It's our forum, all the members no matter how many times they post are the forum. Without them there isn't a forum.

Everybody's opinion on this matter is important. Nobody who has an opinion here should keep quiet and let the mods get on with it.

You haven't kept quiet on the subject and that is fine. You and others have argued that you agree with the mods. I and others have argued that we disagree. Some others have simply said they don't mind either way.

The day that people stop caring about these things is the day the forum dies. Without discussioon you don't have a forum.

disagree with what? i never said it was their forum, but the mods simply have to enforce the rules everyone knows about prior to breaking them. Everyones opinion frankly is not important as 99.9% of people don't know both sides to the story or have seen every deleted post on the thread, so that's why we place our trust the mods to use their knowledge and experience to deal with it.

I have not kept quiet you are right and I see nothing wrong with a good debate, cos, rooks and safi are grownup adults when they abused other members I am sure they were aware of what might happen, but lets not be under any illusions telling the mods they are out of touch, clueless, inconsistent, "insert numerous insults" helps no one. The mods are not the bad guys here

The bit I disagreed with was "Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs". The mods don't own the forum and they should be questioned by members who disagree with any matter that is important to them.

I personally haven't said anything on here that could be deemed derogatory to any of the mods. I like them all, I consider some as close friends and they know this. I'm not saying they aren't being consistent, maybe they've dished out 3 day bans before but I've not heard about them. I've heard about lengthy bans and also the coolers but not this.

[kinboshi]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

I totally disagree with this. Mods are there to ensure the smooth running of the forum but it's not "their" forum. It's our forum, all the members no matter how many times they post are the forum. Without them there isn't a forum.

Everybody's opinion on this matter is important. Nobody who has an opinion here should keep quiet and let the mods get on with it.

You haven't kept quiet on the subject and that is fine. You and others have argued that you agree with the mods. I and others have argued that we disagree. Some others have simply said they don't mind either way.

The day that people stop caring about these things is the day the forum dies. Without discussioon you don't have a forum.

disagree with what? i never said it was their forum, but the mods simply have to enforce the rules everyone knows about prior to breaking them. Everyones opinion frankly is not important as 99.9% of people don't know both sides to the story or have seen every deleted post on the thread, so that's why we place our trust the mods to use their knowledge and experience to deal with it.

I have not kept quiet you are right and I see nothing wrong with a good debate, cos, rooks and safi are grownup adults when they abused other members I am sure they were aware of what might happen, but lets not be under any illusions telling the mods they are out of touch, clueless, inconsistent, "insert numerous insults" helps no one. The mods are not the bad guys here

The bit I disagreed with was "Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs". The mods don't own the forum and they should be questioned by members who disagree with any matter that is important to them.

I personally haven't said anything on here that could be deemed derogatory to any of the mods. I like them all, I consider some as close friends and they know this. I'm not saying they aren't being consistent, maybe they've dished out 3 day bans before but I've not heard about them. I've heard about lengthy bans and also the coolers but not this.

Yes, short bans have been used in the past and will be used going forward as well.

[EvilPie]

There isn't a one day ban.  The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence.  Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged.  Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment. 

As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others?  If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.

It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?

I don't think it has made a point and that is the problem.

He had his 24hr cooler and he accepted it. If the mods then said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided that what you said deserves a ban from the forum so you are losing your rights for 1 month" I think Cos would've been shocked.

I think he would've sat down and thought about this and realised that he couldn't get away with what he did.

The fact is the mods got in touch and said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided to stick a couple of extra days on just because we can and that'll show you who's boss".

One of these looks like a genuine punishment for doing something wrong. The other, and I'm sorry to use this term again just seems petty.

You haven't read my post.  The 24-hour cooler isn't a ban.  It's a holding period to prevent a situation escalating any further.  During that 24-hour period, a ban is determined.  In this case 3 days, however it's looking as though it will be a self-imposed lifetime ban.  But that's his choice.  As it was to flame and effectively bully another member of the forum. 

There are lots of unmoderated forums out there for people to use if they don't like or won't abide to the rules on blonde. 

I have read your post.

I hate you Dan.

[kinboshi]

There isn't a one day ban.  The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence.  Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged.  Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment. 

As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others?  If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.

It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?

I don't think it has made a point and that is the problem.

He had his 24hr cooler and he accepted it. If the mods then said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided that what you said deserves a ban from the forum so you are losing your rights for 1 month" I think Cos would've been shocked.

I think he would've sat down and thought about this and realised that he couldn't get away with what he did.

The fact is the mods got in touch and said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided to stick a couple of extra days on just because we can and that'll show you who's boss".

One of these looks like a genuine punishment for doing something wrong. The other, and I'm sorry to use this term again just seems petty.

You haven't read my post.  The 24-hour cooler isn't a ban.  It's a holding period to prevent a situation escalating any further.  During that 24-hour period, a ban is determined.  In this case 3 days, however it's looking as though it will be a self-imposed lifetime ban.  But that's his choice.  As it was to flame and effectively bully another member of the forum. 

There are lots of unmoderated forums out there for people to use if they don't like or won't abide to the rules on blonde. 

I have read your post.

I hate you Dan.

 

[Colchester Kev]

There isn't a one day ban.  The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence.  Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged.  Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment. 

As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others?  If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.

It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?

I don't think it has made a point and that is the problem.

He had his 24hr cooler and he accepted it. If the mods then said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided that what you said deserves a ban from the forum so you are losing your rights for 1 month" I think Cos would've been shocked.

I think he would've sat down and thought about this and realised that he couldn't get away with what he did.

The fact is the mods got in touch and said "look Cos you were bang out of order. We've decided to stick a couple of extra days on just because we can and that'll show you who's boss".

One of these looks like a genuine punishment for doing something wrong. The other, and I'm sorry to use this term again just seems petty.

You haven't read my post.  The 24-hour cooler isn't a ban.  It's a holding period to prevent a situation escalating any further.  During that 24-hour period, a ban is determined.  In this case 3 days, however it's looking as though it will be a self-imposed lifetime ban.  But that's his choice.  As it was to flame and effectively bully another member of the forum. 

There are lots of unmoderated forums out there for people to use if they don't like or won't abide to the rules on blonde. 

I have read your post.

I hate you Dan.

 

[Ginger]

There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.

People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.

I totally disagree with this. Mods are there to ensure the smooth running of the forum but it's not "their" forum. It's our forum, all the members no matter how many times they post are the forum. Without them there isn't a forum.

Everybody's opinion on this matter is important. Nobody who has an opinion here should keep quiet and let the mods get on with it.

You haven't kept quiet on the subject and that is fine. You and others have argued that you agree with the mods. I and others have argued that we disagree. Some others have simply said they don't mind either way.

The day that people stop caring about these things is the day the forum dies. Without discussioon you don't have a forum.

disagree with what? i never said it was their forum, but the mods simply have to enforce the rules everyone knows about prior to breaking them. Everyones opinion frankly is not important as 99.9% of people don't know both sides to the story or have seen every deleted post on the thread, so that's why we place our trust the mods to use their knowledge and experience to deal with it.

I have not kept quiet you are right and I see nothing wrong with a good debate, cos, rooks and safi are grownup adults when they abused other members I am sure they were aware of what might happen, but lets not be under any illusions telling the mods they are out of touch, clueless, inconsistent, "insert numerous insults" helps no one. The mods are not the bad guys here

The bit I disagreed with was "Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs". The mods don't own the forum and they should be questioned by members who disagree with any matter that is important to them.

I personally haven't said anything on here that could be deemed derogatory to any of the mods. I like them all, I consider some as close friends and they know this. I'm not saying they aren't being consistent, maybe they've dished out 3 day bans before but I've not heard about them. I've heard about lengthy bans and also the coolers but not this.

No Mods think they own the forum, but we have been entrusted with it, by the shareholders. We are all chosen for different reasons, but the goal is the same, to look after the forum.