DTD 300 - line check

[outragous76]

Tourney DTD 300

Level 3 100/200

My image is super solid, i barely played a hand. However, the first hand i played post flop, I showed a bluff on a fairly wet board with betting on every street and the villain checked the river and I v bet about 60% of pot with AQ high (and showed).

Subsequently I have value bet every river (when ahead, even if marginal) and I have won @ every show down (maybe 6 hands).

Hand in question:

Different villain  - but he has always given me the "I just dont believe you feel". I got the feeling he wanted to scoop a big pot from me. He was also the good friend of the guy I bluffed in hand above:

I open raised 46hh UTG +1

Villain in SB - he looks at his cards - has a good think, gives me his suspicious look, and calls. (he is playing about 7500 total)

Flop 7 7 8

He dwell checks. I cant see the point of betting here on this board so I check behind

Turn bringing 2nd d

(Yes yes I know MBN)

He weak leads 650 – and my gut told me he wanted to build a pot with his flush draw.

Pot  2050

His stack 6250 (ish)

What do you do?

[StuartHopkin]

Make it 1750

[BulldozerD]

well you raise don't you?

about 2k seem ok

[outragous76]

sorry - my post and those 'auto insert faces' make it look liike I am confused - im not

what i mean is - i want to stack him with his current holding (whatever we put him on) - so what do we do?

[StuartHopkin]

sorry - my post and those 'auto insert faces' make it look liike I am confused - im not

what i mean is - i want to stack him with his current holding (whatever we put him on) - so what do we do?

Now im confused Guy

If your read is correct we cant really stack him unless he is mega tez and wants to jam with one card to come?

We need to raise now to get value from his flush draw, but if the diamond hits were probably done, if not he isnt paying anything on the river.

Your only stacking him if he has a 7 or an overpair!?!?

[outragous76]

sorry - my post and those 'auto insert faces' make it look liike I am confused - im not

what i mean is - i want to stack him with his current holding (whatever we put him on) - so what do we do?

Now im confused Guy

If your read is correct we cant really stack him unless he is mega tez and wants to jam with one card to come?

We need to raise now to get value from his flush draw, but if the diamond hits were probably done, if not he isnt paying anything on the river.

Your only stacking him if he has a 7 or an overpair!?!?

Correct

I hadn’t seen enough of him to really narrow his range.

After he checked the flop I had taken him off a slow played monster, so I had him on suited connectors (if he has 78 it’s a cooler – im not folding), or maybe a low to mid pair.
 
Lets also assume he doesn’t have the 7 cause he isn’t folding that either – what I am saying is – from the rest of his range I want him to get his chips in. Ideally I want him to come over the top on the turn with all of his range


My thought process was as follows:

1. Say the words “I will put you all in” in order to make it look like a bad bluff or terrible AA KK.  – I decide against this as I obv don’t get paid by the flush draws.

2. Min raise and give him a cheeky smile -  I figure this could induce the shove

3. Raise to 1750 – making it look like a standard play with an overpair looking as though I could fold. My only problem here this is one of those weird “live is different to online spots”. I don’t think I leave enough fold equity for him to shove – but in a live game he might see it differently.

4. Smooth and let him bluff the river – I obv don’t stack him and risk getting no value if the flush fills – or board pairs again.

[EvilPie]

Whatever you do don't min raise. If he is on the flush draw you've just gifted him the right price to call.

This bet looks like it could be a blocker to try to get a cheap river.

How big's our stack at this point? I assume quite big?

If it is then I make a nice big raise that looks like a bluff but leave him a little bit of FE. A paired board is always nice to bluff on and the big stack is likely to do that right?

He's likely to semi bluff a flush draw against you. Just pick up 7 x 500 chips and drop them in like you haven't really bothered to count them.

The bet of 3.5k leaves him over 4k of FE which he might well use if he's on a decent flush draw. You also get the lot anyway if he's got 7x. You're also not even giving him implied odds to hit his flush if that's what he's on.

Are you definitely passing if a diamond comes? I doubt it so you might as well make sure he has to pay now while it's still a mistake to do so.

[StuartHopkin]

If he flats a min raise though with the flush draw he hasnt made a mistake. Yeah its great if he shoves though.

We have to make him pay to see the river surely.

The standard in that tourney was unbelievable, so you probably could stack him if he spazzes out, but if he has half a braincell i dont think you get the lot here.

[BulldozerD]

bluffs stick in players' minds - use that image and raise for value now.

[StuartHopkin]

Whatever you do don't min raise. If he is on the flush draw you've just gifted him the right price to call.

This bet looks like it could be a blocker to try to get a cheap river.

How big's our stack at this point? I assume quite big?

If it is then I make a nice big raise that looks like a bluff but leave him a little bit of FE. A paired board is always nice to bluff on and the big stack is likely to do that right?

He's likely to semi bluff a flush draw against you. Just pick up 7 x 500 chips and drop them in like you haven't really bothered to count them.

The bet of 3.5k leaves him over 4k of FE which he might well use if he's on a decent flush draw. You also get the lot anyway if he's got 7x. You're also not even giving him implied odds to hit his flush if that's what he's on.

Are you definitely passing if a diamond comes? I doubt it so you might as well make sure he has to pay now while it's still a mistake to do so.

Beat me to the first bit, min raising is tez!

Do we really make it 3.5k though?! Its overtardtastic.

We lose loads of marginal hands, and were hoping he goes nuts and shoves with A high?

[outragous76]

My stack was about 17k before the hand started - and CL at the table.

My thoughts on the min raise was the whole "min raise/cheeky smile/wind him up" line would make him jam. The ONLY reason I would min raise is to make it look weird - and yes i am folding if the he calls and the diamond comes.

As I said, I was desperate for him to jam and just had the feeling that if i gave him the right opportunity that he would.


After thinking for a minute or so, I decided that live players think that his extra 4.2k would be enough to get me off a hand. Therefore I raised to 1750 (well done Hopkins), with the hope that he would come over the top, and if not at least define his hand if he just called.

He pretty much insta folded, so I imagine he had like QJo or something and just assumed that his small turn bet would pick up against a non made/non drawing hand

[StuartHopkin]

My stack was about 17k before the hand started - and CL at the table.

My thoughts on the min raise was the whole "min raise/cheeky smile/wind him up" line would make him jam. The ONLY reason I would min raise is to make it look weird - and yes i am folding if the he calls and the diamond comes.

As I said, I was desperate for him to jam and just had the feeling that if i gave him the right opportunity that he would.


After thinking for a minute or so, I decided that live players think that his extra 4.2k would be enough to get me off a hand. Therefore I raised to 1750 (well done Hopkins), with the hope that he would come over the top, and if not at least define his hand if he just called.

He pretty much insta folded, so I imagine he had like QJo or something and just assumed that his small turn bet would pick up against a non made/non drawing hand

Theres only one of me thx

[Royal Flush]

I am still confused by the AQ hand, how can you vb and bluff in the same hand?

[outragous76]

Ie make a bluff which looks like a value bet! A post oak bluff as harrington would call it


You in the mood tonight flushy?