Incorrect use of SPR?

[kinboshi]

SPR= Stack to pot ratio.

Is it of any use whatsoever when you have an ace.......

.......and another ace?

Yes.  It's basically about pot control.  When you have a hand like AA or KK you obviously have a monster pre-flop and are usually ahead on the flop.  But your hand is unlikely to improve - and so with 100BBs you want to get your chips (and your opponents') in ASAP - ideally pre-flop.  If you have a drawing hand, you're often behind pre-flop and usually on the flop.  In that case you want to consider how much to bet in terms of the size of your stack (or your effective stack compared to the others stacks involved) and how big the pot will get.  If you are deep, you obviously don't want to be donking off your entire stack with one card to come and you haven't hit, when you could have lost far less.  Of course there are loads more factors other than SPR to consider, and most players are aware of it (as I know you are) without knowing that there's a term and a whole book about it.

With AA and 100BBs, it's really a case of trying to get those chips in, and reload if you're beat.

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If your playing 500 bigs deep it might be useful.

You should be able to gauge your bet sizes and pot control with out the use of SPR.

You might not call it SPR, but that's what you're doing when you're gauging your bet sizes and controlling the pot.  DUCY?

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Maybe.  But it can be very useful. An obvious situation is playing AK when you're deep.

[StuartHopkin]

SPR= Stack to pot ratio.

Is it of any use whatsoever when you have an ace.......

.......and another ace?

Yes.  It's basically about pot control.  When you have a hand like AA or KK you obviously have a monster pre-flop and are usually ahead on the flop.  But your hand is unlikely to improve - and so with 100BBs you want to get your chips (and your opponents') in ASAP - ideally pre-flop.  If you have a drawing hand, you're often behind pre-flop and usually on the flop.  In that case you want to consider how much to bet in terms of the size of your stack (or your effective stack compared to the others stacks involved) and how big the pot will get.  If you are deep, you obviously don't want to be donking off your entire stack with one card to come and you haven't hit, when you could have lost far less.  Of course there are loads more factors other than SPR to consider, and most players are aware of it (as I know you are) without knowing that there's a term and a whole book about it.

With AA and 100BBs, it's really a case of trying to get those chips in, and reload if you're beat.

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If your playing 500 bigs deep it might be useful.

You should be able to gauge your bet sizes and pot control with out the use of SPR.

You might not call it SPR, but that's what you're doing when you're gauging your bet sizes and controlling the pot.  DUCY?

No not really mate?

Yeah you are in a way, but your not letting it dictate or cloud your judgement.

[kinboshi]

SPR= Stack to pot ratio.

Is it of any use whatsoever when you have an ace.......

.......and another ace?

Yes.  It's basically about pot control.  When you have a hand like AA or KK you obviously have a monster pre-flop and are usually ahead on the flop.  But your hand is unlikely to improve - and so with 100BBs you want to get your chips (and your opponents') in ASAP - ideally pre-flop.  If you have a drawing hand, you're often behind pre-flop and usually on the flop.  In that case you want to consider how much to bet in terms of the size of your stack (or your effective stack compared to the others stacks involved) and how big the pot will get.  If you are deep, you obviously don't want to be donking off your entire stack with one card to come and you haven't hit, when you could have lost far less.  Of course there are loads more factors other than SPR to consider, and most players are aware of it (as I know you are) without knowing that there's a term and a whole book about it.

With AA and 100BBs, it's really a case of trying to get those chips in, and reload if you're beat.

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If your playing 500 bigs deep it might be useful.

You should be able to gauge your bet sizes and pot control with out the use of SPR.

You might not call it SPR, but that's what you're doing when you're gauging your bet sizes and controlling the pot.  DUCY?

No not really mate?

Yeah you are in a way, but your not letting it dictate or cloud your judgement.

It's just one factor to take into account in your decision making.  Ignoring it (you don't have to call it SPR) would be a bad thing.

[StuartHopkin]

SPR= Stack to pot ratio.

Is it of any use whatsoever when you have an ace.......

.......and another ace?

Yes.  It's basically about pot control.  When you have a hand like AA or KK you obviously have a monster pre-flop and are usually ahead on the flop.  But your hand is unlikely to improve - and so with 100BBs you want to get your chips (and your opponents') in ASAP - ideally pre-flop.  If you have a drawing hand, you're often behind pre-flop and usually on the flop.  In that case you want to consider how much to bet in terms of the size of your stack (or your effective stack compared to the others stacks involved) and how big the pot will get.  If you are deep, you obviously don't want to be donking off your entire stack with one card to come and you haven't hit, when you could have lost far less.  Of course there are loads more factors other than SPR to consider, and most players are aware of it (as I know you are) without knowing that there's a term and a whole book about it.

With AA and 100BBs, it's really a case of trying to get those chips in, and reload if you're beat.

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If your playing 500 bigs deep it might be useful.

You should be able to gauge your bet sizes and pot control with out the use of SPR.

You might not call it SPR, but that's what you're doing when you're gauging your bet sizes and controlling the pot.  DUCY?

No not really mate?

Yeah you are in a way, but your not letting it dictate or cloud your judgement.

It's just one factor to take into account in your decision making.  Ignoring it (you don't have to call it SPR) would be a bad thing.

The more you go on, the more i think about it, and the more irrelevant it becomes.

[EvilPie]

SPR= Stack to pot ratio.

Is it of any use whatsoever when you have an ace.......

.......and another ace?

Yes.  It's basically about pot control.  When you have a hand like AA or KK you obviously have a monster pre-flop and are usually ahead on the flop.  But your hand is unlikely to improve - and so with 100BBs you want to get your chips (and your opponents') in ASAP - ideally pre-flop.  If you have a drawing hand, you're often behind pre-flop and usually on the flop.  In that case you want to consider how much to bet in terms of the size of your stack (or your effective stack compared to the others stacks involved) and how big the pot will get.  If you are deep, you obviously don't want to be donking off your entire stack with one card to come and you haven't hit, when you could have lost far less.  Of course there are loads more factors other than SPR to consider, and most players are aware of it (as I know you are) without knowing that there's a term and a whole book about it.

With AA and 100BBs, it's really a case of trying to get those chips in, and reload if you're beat.

So it's one of those silly things that people use to overcomplicate simple situations?

I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If your playing 500 bigs deep it might be useful.

You should be able to gauge your bet sizes and pot control with out the use of SPR.

You might not call it SPR, but that's what you're doing when you're gauging your bet sizes and controlling the pot.  DUCY?

No not really mate?

Yeah you are in a way, but your not letting it dictate or cloud your judgement.

It's just one factor to take into account in your decision making.  Ignoring it (you don't have to call it SPR) would be a bad thing.

The more you go on, the more i think about it, and the more irrelevant it becomes.

I think it struggles to become more irrelevant than it ever was. DUCY?

[Pyso]

Thanks for the replies.

I kind of knew that Hand A was ok and that I should have check/folded Hand B.

My post really was highlighting the danger of reading poker literature - if I hadn't have read that book my poker knowledge, instincts and experience would have slowed me down on hand B.

Oh well.

[gatso]

spr sounds lika a load of bollocks to me. did someone make it up so they could claim they had some new concept in a book they wrote by any chance?

[Longy]

spr sounds lika a load of bollocks to me. did someone make it up so they could claim they had some new concept in a book they wrote by any chance?

Meh, it is kind of common sense basically but it does have relevance. Especially when considering bet sizing, which is something a lot of people do extremely badly in poker. In fact the first tell that someone is bad at poker is their bet sizing.

[gatso]

but bet sizing is all it is isn't it?

[StuartHopkin]

but bet sizing is all it is isn't it?

this is where i was going

if you know how to size your bets then spr is irrelevant whether you have 100 or 500 bigs

i ducy with matts post also

and Pyso i dont think you should be check folding hand B its far to weak/passive you have an overpair ffs you shouldnt be folding light and you dont have enough chips to fold properly

[pleno1]

c/f aa?

[pokerfan]

Hand A: Fine
Hand B: Do`nt f`k with Barry Neville

[MANTIS01]

The amount of counters you bet in relation to the amount of counters you have left, the number of counters in the pot, and the number of counters in your oppos stack is a basic fundamental of poker. See how I used the word counters there to show just how basic?

[StuartHopkin]

The amount of counters you bet in relation to the amount of counters you have left, the number of counters in the pot, and the number of counters in your oppos stack is a basic fundamental of poker. See how I used the word counters there to show just how basic?

I would have preffered to have seen the word 'thingies' myself

[thetank]

You need to take into account that some counters count for more.