Live £1/£2 cash hand

[Mitch]

Live £1/£2 hand from DTD, as usual pretty deep in a lot of spots and in general playing much bigger than a standard game.

There are no straddles on in the hand and UTG limps, as does hero with  (£500 stack), cut-off limps (£85), button makes it £12 to go (£175), Simon Nowab makes re pops to £25 from the SB (£550). First limper folds, and everyone else calls and takes a flop.

Flop comes      (Pot £105)

Everybody checks. Turn brings the   

Simon leads for £75. Hero

Whats the best way to make the maximum from this hand? Usuallly i would lead at this flop, but with the relative short stacks behind who are going to connect with this flop alot of the time and shove for a near pot size bet, i thought Id give them a chance to get it in with AJ / KJ/ KQ type hands or air. No biters.

In the situation we find ourselves in how do you proceed with the hand and what hands do you think Simon is going to turn up here with most of the time?

[George2Loose]

From what I know of Simon he's fairly solid but capable of the odd big bluff.

Bit of a tough spot because it's been check round on the flop. I think I would flat call at this stage. C/Raising is going to look super strong and you might get a squeeze from the players behind. Only problem may be that some draws may get there on the river. If you wanna get max value I would flat the turn.

Simon may put on a draw given an action so he may fire a third bullet if blank comes off on the river

[typhoon13]

Mitch

I would shove, theres enough in the pot now, the river could open a tin of worms, you may not be in front now also.

Shove and close my eyes.

[kinboshi]

From what I know of Simon he's fairly solid but capable of the odd big bluff.

Bit of a tough spot because it's been check round on the flop. I think I would flat call at this stage. C/Raising is going to look super strong and you might get a squeeze from the players behind. Only problem may be that some draws may get there on the river. If you wanna get max value I would flat the turn.

Simon may put on a draw given an action so he may fire a third bullet if blank comes off on the river

Is the check-raise always an indicator of a strong hand here?  Would you not check-raise with a weaker hand here to get Simon off the hand?  If he's on a draw or already has a big hand, a smallish re-raise won't scare him off will it? 

[GreekStein]

From what I know of Simon he's fairly solid

From what I've played with Simon he's pretty laggy.

Think I shove here but I don't know whether I ever take a card off in the hope a blank will come and we can get stacks in with Simon on the river. Also looks like we may well have turned a draw, clubs/straight on the turn etc if we do this allowing us to get value on the river. The problem with this, is there are so many action killers and if Simon is drawing we allow him to do it and will probably pay him off on a lot of rivers, bar maybe like .

Think therefore I shove.

[GreekStein]

From what I know of Simon he's fairly solid but capable of the odd big bluff.

Bit of a tough spot because it's been check round on the flop. I think I would flat call at this stage. C/Raising is going to look super strong and you might get a squeeze from the players behind. Only problem may be that some draws may get there on the river. If you wanna get max value I would flat the turn.

Simon may put on a draw given an action so he may fire a third bullet if blank comes off on the river

Is the check-raise always an indicator of a strong hand here?  Would you not check-raise with a weaker hand here to get Simon off the hand?  If he's on a draw or already has a big hand, a smallish re-raise won't scare him off will it? 

You just answered your own question Kin.

We can't really check-raise too much air here because stacks aren't deep enough in relation to the pot. Just spewy to do it in this situation with no hand anyway.

[BulldozerD]

we can't really check raise someone we have position on

once the 3bettor checks the flop i would bet £60. Quite a few cards could ruin our action, make value on further streets tougher or overtake us as we are fairly multiway for a 3bet pot and we are 250bigs deep vs the 3bettor. He may peel hands like AK with his gutterball and overs (i have no idea how Simon plays).

as played i am not sure what he would 3bet and check flop with (he could have TT/JJ but he could also have loads of other hands) and if you raise here i think you effectively end the hand unless he has a huge hand. Checking the flop multiway and then raising that turn card looks pretty strong. I think calling here with position on the river is slightly better.

flopping a set in a 4way 3bet pot is pretty golden so i think i start building on the flop though.

[titaniumbean]

Had Mr Nowab been drinking, that kind of affects it massively. One read is solid tricky player, other is 1 hand glass of wine other hand shovel the chips in.



With stack sizes i'd prob want to raise something small ~185, kinda depends because he's alot more happy to put it in himself than he is to call it off.

He could well have Overs/gutshot or just a delayed cbet, possibly TT/JJ.


If you flat turn and river is non club, K or Q then we're mentally golden but he may not have much of a hand to pay us off with; if you raise turn and he folds out his whiffed hands, calls his more marginal holdings and jams his combo-ish draws then we're obviously getting value on the turn. Once the river hits though if the turn has gone bet call we could be put in some really icky spots with stack sizes on clubs or a K/Q if he just leads out/open jams into us.

[titaniumbean]

Mitch

I would shove, theres enough in the pot now, the river could open a tin of worms, you may not be in front now also.

Shove and close my eyes.

I really dont get the bolded bits.

[typhoon13]

Mitch

I would shove, theres enough in the pot now, the river could open a tin of worms, you may not be in front now also.

Shove and close my eyes.

I really don't get the bolded bits.

Enough in the pot. A win is a win
May not be in front. playing poker most times its a gamble.
Close my eyes. A joke.

We are on about playing Simon, i would of shoved in the hope he was trying to steal and been happy with the pot, we have all given our opponents another card and regretted it.

[titaniumbean]

Mitch

I would shove, theres enough in the pot now, the river could open a tin of worms, you may not be in front now also.

Shove and close my eyes.

I really don't get the bolded bits.

Enough in the pot. A win is a win
May not be in front. playing poker most times its a gamble.

We are on about playing Simon, i would of shoved in the hope he was trying to steal and been happy with the pot, we have all given our opponents another card and regretted it.

I dont see the point in 'taking it down now' when if we're not ahead we're not taking it down and if he has nothing he cant call. I didn't meant to come across as curt.

[George2Loose]

I think with the players behind you, you're repping a pretty strong hand with a raise here.

I still like to flat but deffo agree that Simon's alcohol assumption deffo has to come into play with any decision here

[Blatch]

Surely just give it a big speech and get someone to shove on you

[typhoon13]

titanium

We all play differently, that's what i would of done against simon, not saying that would be my strategy against others, i thought the answer was based on playing Simon.

[titaniumbean]

titanium

We all play differently, that's what i would of done against simon, not saying that would be my strategy against others, i thought the answer was based on playing Simon.

:)Up As I said his beverage choice often influences his gaming style!!!