GORDON BROWN'S CHINESE TAKEAWAY

[bolt pp]

China have this spot on, everybody knows whats going to happen, you bring drugs in you die.
Should be the same here.

lol there shouldnt be any offence where you die

[Shogun112]

For me it is quite simple.!

When you are in a country with different laws than yourself, you follow those laws.  If that means death for doing certain things, then death it must be.  Some countries chop off yer hands for robbing, some even cut off yer manhood for various things.  You go to that country, you do the crime, you serve their punishment.

Our Government has no right trying to interfere in any countries laws, political suicide, let the people paid to deal with that stuff at embassies do that stuff.  How would we feel if a Chinese person came to UK with 4Kg of whatever class A drugs and we put him in jail, or made him suffer whatever our laws are, and the Chinese government tried to tell us our way is wrong..

I also think it is convenient for a case to be found guilty and then afterwards, mitigating evidence to be found to try get the guilty person off.  Glad the Chinese took no messing...

[Ricardov83]

There's been a suggestion that the gentleman was duped into smuggling the drugs by a group who promised to make him a world famous popstar. 

He was unaware of the contents of his case and therefore his mental illness played a key part in the whole trafficing/prosecution/execution situation.

If this is the case then it appears he has been treated horribly but it begs the question, why was his defence not aware of the facts.

Its all very confusing to me and I suppose we'll never get the full story.  Its pretty upsetting whatever the facts.

[bolt pp]

There's been a suggestion that the gentleman was duped into smuggling the drugs by a group who promised to make him a world famous popstar. 

He was unaware of the contents of his case and therefore his mental illness played a key part in the whole trafficing/prosecution/execution situation.

If this is the case then it appears he has been treated horribly but it begs the question, why was his defence not aware of the facts.

Its all very confusing to me and I suppose we'll never get the full story.  Its pretty upsetting whatever the facts.

the defence doesnt get a chance to do that, theyre marched into court then out again with the death sentence

[MANTIS01]

I didn't think you'd cheapened anything, but I wasn't sure why you'd mentioned Kerry Katona tbh.

I agree to an extent with the other stuff, but these things have to be considered on a case by case basis and the judgements of the professionals taken into consideration. IDK if there is a precedent for someone suffering (or claiming to suffer) with a bipolar disorder being let off a drug smuggling charge or shown clemency. I don't imagine the smugglers are too bothered about the fate of the mule in any case tbh, so not sure why they'd be 'ideal'.

"Wouldn't it be a dangerous precedent if China succumbed?"  In what way do you think such a precedent could be 'dangerous' - anything that leads to less state-sanctioned executions being carried out is ok in my book, or am I missing something obvious?

She was very successful at life, popstar, reality show winner, mum of the year, very rich, and I never heard one thing about her bipolar condition. After she's spewed all her money on booze and coke all I hear about is her bipolar condition. The Chinese were saying this guy had no medical records about his condition before he got into trouble but now he's on death row it's reason enough stop them exercising the law of their land. I agree that if his defence was genuine he's been treated horribly. But if this is the case I can't help but think he's been failed by more people than just the Chinese government.

[Hairydude]

For me it is quite simple.!

When you are in a country with different laws than yourself, you follow those laws.  If that means death for doing certain things, then death it must be.  Some countries chop off yer hands for robbing, some even cut off yer manhood for various things.  You go to that country, you do the crime, you serve their punishment.

Our Government has no right trying to interfere in any countries laws, political suicide, let the people paid to deal with that stuff at embassies do that stuff.  How would we feel if a Chinese person came to UK with 4Kg of whatever class A drugs and we put him in jail, or made him suffer whatever our laws are, and the Chinese government tried to tell us our way is wrong..

I also think it is convenient for a case to be found guilty and then afterwards, mitigating evidence to be found to try get the guilty person off.  Glad the Chinese took no messing...

Yeah its really that simple eh....China has one of the worlds worst human rights records- they executed over 1700 people last year for 68 different crimes-a lot less severe than smuggling drugs!!!!

If you think thats the way we should live then hows the planet meant to progress....all governments keep out of each others business eh???

Let Saudi Arabia stone women to death for adultery(many of which cases are on a whim with no concrete evidence)? Let china/America continue to pollute the planet the way they do?

Surely globalisation has had a positive effect in that these cases can be highlighted so that stuff like this can be erradicated. Not talking about this case in specific, and I'm all for following Laws and respecting other countries beliefs but it cant just be "put up and shut up"- if there is something I think is clearly wrong(like the stoning mentioned earlier) I think we have the right to shout loud enough so these countries hear of our disgust....and perhaps listen to their own civilians.

[Claw75]

She was very successful at life, popstar, reality show winner, mum of the year, very rich, and I never heard one thing about her bipolar condition.

and why would you have? If she was diagnosed at the time then it's probably not something she'd want to shout about - there's a hell of a lot of stigma still around about the condition (indeed on this thread someone's said the guy was 'clearly retarded'.

It's also a difficult condition to diagnose, as the diagnosing professionals will often want to see the sufferer in all of their states (i.e. manic, depressed, stable) before making a diagnosis. With some forms of bi polar disorder the sufferer can remain in one state for a period of several years, so it's not an easy one. Of course it's often misdiagnosed (and treated) as acute depression too, as it's during depressive periods that the suffer will be seeking medical help, but during the manic phases that most of the 'damage' (i.e. problems with drugs, gambing, overspending) will be done.

[Maxriddles]

China have this spot on, everybody knows whats going to happen, you bring drugs in you die.
Should be the same here.

lol there shouldnt be any offence where you die

I disagree, there are crimes so horrific that death would be a suitable punishment.

That said I will now contradict myself by saying I do not agree with the death penalty. In principal I have no problem with it depending on the crime but in practice there is just something disturbing and wrong about the whole process. The US process of spending years on death row is something I find particularly cruel and unusual.

[StuartHopkin]

She was very successful at life, popstar, reality show winner, mum of the year, very rich, and I never heard one thing about her bipolar condition.

and why would you have? If she was diagnosed at the time then it's probably not something she'd want to shout about - there's a hell of a lot of stigma still around about the condition (indeed on this thread someone's said the guy was 'clearly retarded'.

It's also a difficult condition to diagnose, as the diagnosing professionals will often want to see the sufferer in all of their states (i.e. manic, depressed, stable) before making a diagnosis. With some forms of bi polar disorder the sufferer can remain in one state for a period of several years, so it's not an easy one. Of course it's often misdiagnosed (and treated) as acute depression too, as it's during depressive periods that the suffer will be seeking medical help, but during the manic phases that most of the 'damage' (i.e. problems with drugs, gambing, overspending) will be done.

ZOMG!!
She was just a typical coke fiend nothing else, the bi-polar bull was just to try and save her shite career!

[StuartHopkin]

Sigh.....

I agree with Mantis on this thread.
Our government is terrible.
China have this spot on, everybody knows whats going to happen, you bring drugs in you die.
Should be the same here.
The main point on this thread is what that 4 kilos does to so many people in that counrty.

Sorry stu but this is a loada shit tbh

The guy was mentally retarded and didnt have a clue what was going on that is clear, the chinese govt are ridiculous [  ] power to the people

And if where guna start saying people deserve the death penalty can we start with people like ian huntley etc etc plz

Monda your posts on fire lately!

Theres no proof of any mental illness though is there?

Yeah Ian Huntley deserves to die, send him to China they would sort it.

[Claw75]

She was very successful at life, popstar, reality show winner, mum of the year, very rich, and I never heard one thing about her bipolar condition.

and why would you have? If she was diagnosed at the time then it's probably not something she'd want to shout about - there's a hell of a lot of stigma still around about the condition (indeed on this thread someone's said the guy was 'clearly retarded'.

It's also a difficult condition to diagnose, as the diagnosing professionals will often want to see the sufferer in all of their states (i.e. manic, depressed, stable) before making a diagnosis. With some forms of bi polar disorder the sufferer can remain in one state for a period of several years, so it's not an easy one. Of course it's often misdiagnosed (and treated) as acute depression too, as it's during depressive periods that the suffer will be seeking medical help, but during the manic phases that most of the 'damage' (i.e. problems with drugs, gambing, overspending) will be done.

ZOMG!!
She was just a typical coke fiend nothing else, the bi-polar bull was just to try and save her shite career!

I think a lot of people share that opinion, and is what Mantis was getting at earlier. Doctors don't go dishing out a diagnosis and medication to save people's shite careers.

[Swordpoker]

Bipolar disorder is when someone gets excessively happy and excessively sad - that's all.

"Judge, my client is very happy right now, surely this should excuse him from the death penalty?"

[Claw75]

Bipolar disorder is when someone gets excessively happy and excessively sad - that's all.

not quite that simple

[Swordpoker]

Bipolar disorder is when someone gets excessively happy and excessively sad - that's all.

not quite that simple

Do you have an alternative definition?

[mondatoo]

Sigh.....

I agree with Mantis on this thread.
Our government is terrible.
China have this spot on, everybody knows whats going to happen, you bring drugs in you die.
Should be the same here.
The main point on this thread is what that 4 kilos does to so many people in that counrty.

Sorry stu but this is a loada shit tbh

The guy was mentally retarded and didnt have a clue what was going on that is clear, the chinese govt are ridiculous [  ] power to the people

And if where guna start saying people deserve the death penalty can we start with people like ian huntley etc etc plz

Monda your posts on fire lately!

Theres no proof of any mental illness though is there?

Yeah Ian Huntley deserves to die, send him to China they would sort it.

LOL,drinkaments ftw

See u for one at dtd sat ??