Monday's 20/20 @ DTD

[tikay]

Loving this......

[BulldozerD]

as played bet 1500-1800 and just keep betting/raising

[pleno1]

If we bet 1500 and get called, and then checked to on a 7-Q turn whats out play?

[bobby1]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

[bobby1]

Any info on player?  Any good or not?

Generally I lead here just over half pot and wouldnt reaqlly hestitate getting it in so long as I was the one getting my chips in first.  Very hard for villain to call a 4 bet shove here.

I would go as far as to say it was impossible.

Have we considred what the villian is gonna call a re raise from Tom with here tho.

[GreekStein]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

[bobby1]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

A £100 freezeout is a biggish comp to a lot of people tho.

That is all true too Greek but that is also part of the problem in getting it in. The guy might well have called a re raise with 99,10 10,jj and if he has maybe he is the type that isnt going to pass them on that flop.

[BulldozerD]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

A £100 freezeout is a biggish comp to a lot of people tho.

That is all true too Greek but that is also part of the problem in getting it in. The guy might well have called a re raise with 99,10 10,jj and if he has maybe he is the type that isnt going to pass them on that flop.

yeah but we have the NFD and 2 overs in a 3bet pot with position. If you don't bet here what hands would you bet? so what if he doesn't want to pass 99 on the flop?

[gatso]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

even if we give him a range of KK+ we're only a 6/4 dog on that flop and wouldn't be doing too much wrong getting it in

no point getting paranoid about monsters when we have our own monster

[GreekStein]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

A £100 freezeout is a biggish comp to a lot of people tho.

That is all true too Greek but that is also part of the problem in getting it in. The guy might well have called a re raise with 99,10 10,jj and if he has maybe he is the type that isnt going to pass them on that flop.

£100 being a big comp to a lot of people is even more of a reason why I don't expect someone who views this as a lot of money to get sneaky. They'll just 4-bet pre cos they know their hand is good and won't wanna risk playing it post flop in a smaller pot when they can be outdrawn.

If he's called the raise with 99, 1010, JJ and doesn't want to pass then happy days, let's get it in.

[EvilPie]

I might be being a bit negative here but we've got 80 odd bbs and a flush draw.

Do we really want to get the lot in?

2 overs and a flush draw in a quick structured comp.

Id be happy getting it in here.

We must however make sure we manoeuvre the betting so we are the ones getting our chips in first and making him call off.

Yeah I forgot how quick the structure was.

Just open shove the flop then.

It's obvious that we're on a draw but at least we get maximum FE. I assume we're looking to take the pot rather than have a showdown where we might lose?

You scare me sometimes.

If you have been 3 bet pre by someone in position and then 4 bet james on the flop what would be your calling range here if you were villain?

Think it was a level Blatch

A semi lvele I think - he doesnt want to get the lot in 'ere

To be honest I'd look to getting the lot in on the flop if I thought there was a chance of oppo folding. If he seems the sort to call me with an overpair I prefer to wait for another spot. It's a quick structure but we're still pretty deep and don't need a 50 50 just yet.

To answer the question about the calling range I think by the time that many bets have happened most of my stack is in the middle so I'm calling with whatever I've got unless I was bluffing with air and no draw. I'm not getting that far without minimum of JJ or a good draw so I'm calling 100% of the time.

[George2Loose]

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

A £100 freezeout is a biggish comp to a lot of people tho.

That is all true too Greek but that is also part of the problem in getting it in. The guy might well have called a re raise with 99,10 10,jj and if he has maybe he is the type that isnt going to pass them on that flop.

£100 being a big comp to a lot of people is even more of a reason why I don't expect someone who views this as a lot of money to get sneaky. They'll just 4-bet pre cos they know their hand is good and won't wanna risk playing it post flop in a smaller pot when they can be outdrawn.

If he's called the raise with 99, 1010, JJ and doesn't want to pass then happy days, let's get it in.

Let's get James Keys (aka Peter Snow) to break it down from a live player's view and then an online players point of view.......

[RED-DOG]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

[George2Loose]

I might be being a bit negative here but we've got 80 odd bbs and a flush draw.

Do we really want to get the lot in?

2 overs and a flush draw in a quick structured comp.

Id be happy getting it in here.

We must however make sure we manoeuvre the betting so we are the ones getting our chips in first and making him call off.

Yeah I forgot how quick the structure was.

Just open shove the flop then.

It's obvious that we're on a draw but at least we get maximum FE. I assume we're looking to take the pot rather than have a showdown where we might lose?

You scare me sometimes.

If you have been 3 bet pre by someone in position and then 4 bet james on the flop what would be your calling range here if you were villain?

Think it was a level Blatch

A semi lvele I think - he doesnt want to get the lot in 'ere

To be honest I'd look to getting the lot in on the flop if I thought there was a chance of oppo folding. If he seems the sort to call me with an overpair I prefer to wait for another spot. It's a quick structure but we're still pretty deep and don't need a 50 50 just yet.

To answer the question about the calling range I think by the time that many bets have happened most of my stack is in the middle so I'm calling with whatever I've got unless I was bluffing with air and no draw. I'm not getting that far without minimum of JJ or a good draw so I'm calling 100% of the time.

So Matt what would u do? Check the flop back?

[George2Loose]

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

Cawwwl