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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2010, 05:33:02 PM »

Bet-bet on flop and turn for protection, but fold if you get raised, which will almost never happen because people will need the nuts to raise you, which is why you should fold. On river if the spade still hasn't arrive check to induce bluffs unless you think oppo will have rivered top pair then bet for value.

Hero fires out a pot size bet to represent in his words tpnk or a draw. Both hands he's repping are vulnerable to a raise so can you tell me why his oppos will never raise without the nuts pls.

Also CF you say the bet is too big on the flop but do you think a smaller bet looks more a vb than a vulnerable tpnk bet? Making the pot bigger makes villain more tempted to raise with his own draw rather than pay a high price to chase a draw no? And we're betting out to provoke a raise are we not?
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2010, 06:58:49 PM »

Bet-bet on flop and turn for protection, but fold if you get raised, which will almost never happen because people will need the nuts to raise you, which is why you should fold. On river if the spade still hasn't arrive check to induce bluffs unless you think oppo will have rivered top pair then bet for value.

Hero fires out a pot size bet to represent in his words tpnk or a draw. Both hands he's repping are vulnerable to a raise so can you tell me why his oppos will never raise without the nuts pls.

Also CF you say the bet is too big on the flop but do you think a smaller bet looks more a vb than a vulnerable tpnk bet? Making the pot bigger makes villain more tempted to raise with his own draw rather than pay a high price to chase a draw no? And we're betting out to provoke a raise are we not?

I'm not betting out to provoke a raise. There are times I'll bet to induce raises but oop with a vulnerable hand which will pretty much hate any turn card is not one of them.

I'm betting out to get value from worse hands (overpairs/fds) and to try and get the pot heads up rather than 3 handed.

Ideally my bet would be just called and we'd be heads up.

I don't mind calling a smallish raise because we can see the turn and assess from there. But when the raise is as big as in this instance the pot is just getting too big compared to our stacks for me to feel comfortable continuing.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2010, 08:17:21 PM »

OK, the concensus is to bet the flop, which I did. I bet 500, mainly to rep tpnk or a draw. It was folded round to Steve Holden on the button, who made it 1700 to go. What now?

There was a flat call of you 500 from seat 9 before Steve raised to 1700 in seat 1.  Quite a key point I think.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2010, 09:01:27 PM »

Bet-bet on flop and turn for protection, but fold if you get raised, which will almost never happen because people will need the nuts to raise you, which is why you should fold. On river if the spade still hasn't arrive check to induce bluffs unless you think oppo will have rivered top pair then bet for value.

Hero fires out a pot size bet to represent in his words tpnk or a draw. Both hands he's repping are vulnerable to a raise so can you tell me why his oppos will never raise without the nuts pls.

Also CF you say the bet is too big on the flop but do you think a smaller bet looks more a vb than a vulnerable tpnk bet? Making the pot bigger makes villain more tempted to raise with his own draw rather than pay a high price to chase a draw no? And we're betting out to provoke a raise are we not?

I'm not betting out to provoke a raise. There are times I'll bet to induce raises but oop with a vulnerable hand which will pretty much hate any turn card is not one of them.

I'm betting out to get value from worse hands (overpairs/fds) and to try and get the pot heads up rather than 3 handed.

Ideally my bet would be just called and we'd be heads up.

I don't mind calling a smallish raise because we can see the turn and assess from there. But when the raise is as big as in this instance the pot is just getting too big compared to our stacks for me to feel comfortable continuing.

If you lead out and call a small raise thinking that your hand is "vulnerable" and that you will "pretty much hate any turn card" your oppo is going to win this pot almost all of the time when he has position on you. Leading out small to try and control the pot to give you an excuse to get away from it on later streets isn't the answer imo. Maybe we should be c-calling like George suggested? I don't know. But if we agree our hand is vulnerable, and we pot it which looks vulnerable, a villain preying on that vulnerability doesn't mean we're beat. We have to play this hand very quickly or very slowly imo.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2010, 07:57:39 AM »

pmsl at "protecting pocket sevens" or "finding out where he is" so true in this case.
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 08:22:29 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 08:38:11 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2010, 08:57:46 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2010, 09:34:59 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2010, 09:36:45 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2010, 09:40:28 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2010, 09:43:44 PM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

clean ur face mate

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2010, 02:22:29 AM »

Nice post Cos these are my thoughts also.

clean ur face mate

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