A hand where I did a flat call with AK

[skolsuper]

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[Cf]

Flop bet is good. You could check behind for deception but I'd probably keep betting.

[titaniumbean]

Like flop bet, any sorta history or image related info?

Unless he views you as insane and always betting when checked to by the pfr then I think he folds alot of the pairs he peels on the flop, it's not like we can pick up any draws to barrel. I think check back the turn and go for value on the river.

[GreekStein]

Yeah I just bet bet bet.

[paulhouk03]

3 streets of value is good for me
or
check turn and bet big on river with a bet which looks bluffy or even the over pot bet from rounders

[Moskvich]

Would probably check turn - as TB says he won't peel again, and I can't see you getting three streets out of a face-up Ax, since why would you try and shift him off it with worse on this board. So I'd take the two bluffier streets of flop and river.

[George2Loose]

This this is so villian/history dependant that I don't mind the bet/bet/bet line or the check/turn get value on river.

With no history I would check turn back and v bet the river. Probably full pot bet

[dousche]

probs bet-check-bet for me without any significant reads/history.

dont think i have a problem with check-bet-bet though, not sure which line gets most hands to call on the river.

for me the problem with bet-bet-bet is that he has to pass the vast majority of his hands on the turn as he's oop and cant really control the size of the pot v well.

chances of him checking the flop with a hand he's calling 3 streets unimproved with is minimal imo

[titaniumbean]

What hand is the pfr checking to us on this flop with that we get 3 streets of value from?

[mondatoo]

Since you've flatted pre he's not putting you on AK so may likely be trying to get you to laydown Ax or may think his AQ/AJ is good and hoping you call with worse.It's pretty cold if he has AA or KK here so were only worried about 2 hands

You got any other info on villain such as his utg opening range does he tend to just limp small pp ?

I would call here then if he checks a brick river i prob check back since c/c c/r looks really strong and i don't see what he calls us with that we beat,if he leads i call.

[GreekStein]

I'll pm RichardL to come and post on this one. His lines in these spots are pretty good.

Iirc he prob won't like checking turn vs any decent reg because if you bet the river it can never be a bluff.

[Cottonbud]

Ok firstly, I understand the comment if you bet the turn your repping AK or 22. Because if your opponent has QQ,JJ,1010, KQ/KJ, Q10,J10 your going to try and barrel him off all these hands, if your not your either playing too tight or not balancing your ranges enough. You want to extract as much value from AQ and AJ (aces with wheel draws, two pair hands) as possible also so definately bet this turn its good for your image to be double barreling also. 2ndly I am never folding this turn I don't think 5-3 is in a multi-tablers UTG range enough of the time here to be scared of the wheel, but having said that nothing is impossible.

So most likely we lose to 3 hands AA,KK,22 the most likely hands he can have here to me is A4s/A2s hes raising for value, or an underpair hes turned into a bluff or gutshot draw hes also bluffing. But I am never folding top 2 on a dry board like this to a 19/15 If he was a 10/8 then I would understand a pass. I am flatting him on the turn expecting him to give up alot on the river or maybe he is going to go crazy with a bluff putting you on A3 or A5 top pair with the wheel draw or maybe AJ/A10 which he thinks he can make you fold with a river shove. It is tougher than 1st thought though because like you say he is multitabling and not moved up stakes for a while.

Having given all that a thought you've flat called AK you've hit the perfect flop, imo there is noway he can put you on AK here, from what I remember most people 3bet AK at these stakes religiously. I think theres a chance he may even have the same hand as us some of the time. I say flat the turn and call the river bet. If he checks I probably bet for value expecting him to fold alot, which I don't mind because its good for your image and will get into his head and of course there will be times where he pays off with worse. If he has you beat its just a cooler imo but this is a bad fold long term.

[EvilPie]

I'll pm RichardL to come and post on this one. His lines in these spots are pretty good.

Iirc he prob won't like checking turn vs any decent reg because if you bet the river it can never be a bluff.

Agree with not checking the turn. You say you want value from the river but he's probably bet folding about $30 tops. That's hardly value. Anything that he calls or 3 bets with beats you so the turn is the time to get value.

You've disguised your hand well by doing a flat call. His range here contains far too many hands that we beat to ever consider folding.

Doing another flat call then getting it on the river looks too strong. Just get it in now and hope he has a hand good enough to call.

[titaniumbean]

I'll pm RichardL to come and post on this one. His lines in these spots are pretty good.

Iirc he prob won't like checking turn vs any decent reg because if you bet the river it can never be a bluff.

Agree with not checking the turn. You say you want value from the river but he's probably bet folding about $30 tops. That's hardly value. Anything that he calls or 3 bets with beats you so the turn is the time to get value.

You've disguised your hand well by doing a flat call. His range here contains far too many hands that we beat to ever consider folding.

Doing another flat call then getting it on the river looks too strong. Just get it in now and hope he has a hand good enough to call.

Matt what hands are we getting 3 streets of value from that he checks the flop?

[EvilPie]

I'll pm RichardL to come and post on this one. His lines in these spots are pretty good.

Iirc he prob won't like checking turn vs any decent reg because if you bet the river it can never be a bluff.

Agree with not checking the turn. You say you want value from the river but he's probably bet folding about $30 tops. That's hardly value. Anything that he calls or 3 bets with beats you so the turn is the time to get value.

You've disguised your hand well by doing a flat call. His range here contains far too many hands that we beat to ever consider folding.

Doing another flat call then getting it on the river looks too strong. Just get it in now and hope he has a hand good enough to call.

Matt what hands are we getting 3 streets of value from that he checks the flop?