Series of questions for the 45 man pros on here!

[anthonyl]

I do in the $3.25s lol

[mondatoo]

Thread hijack oncoming hope you don't mind  

Can i just add a couple more hands to this all standard just want to check as i've also just started out playing the 45mans

PS I'm not being results orientated

Hand 1

Due to icm is this a fold vs unknown or just standard ?

***** Hand History for Game 37742983389 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 06, 01:15:02 ET 2010
Table 229279568 4 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: madein1984 ( $10462.00 USD )
Seat 2: putskierules ( $8455.00 USD )
Seat 3: cutko ( $11445.00 USD )
Seat 4: Glatzkopp07 ( $4675.00 USD )
Seat 5: DoTa-MAk ( $11820.00 USD )
Seat 7: mondonewc ( $8660.00 USD )
Seat 8: goncpm ( $6873.00 USD )
Seat 9: Guster197 ( $5110.00 USD )
madein1984 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
putskierules posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
cutko posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
Glatzkopp07 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
DoTa-MAk posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
mondonewc posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
goncpm posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
Guster197 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
DoTa-MAk posts small blind [$400.00 USD].
mondonewc posts big blind [$800.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [  As ]
goncpm folds
Guster197 raises [$5060.00 USD]
madein1984 folds
putskierules folds
cutko folds
Glatzkopp07 folds
DoTa-MAk folds
mondonewc calls [$4260.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
mondonewc shows [As, ]
Guster197 shows [, ]
Guster197 wins $10920.00 USD from main pot

Hang 2

Standard again or fold this early in comp

***** Hand History for Game 37739106682 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 06, 11:42:53 ET 2010
Table 229263931 3 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 2: NickAces12 ( $1770.00 USD )
Seat 3: MateusMouraa ( $1225.00 USD )
Seat 4: pokernutdad ( $1430.00 USD )
Seat 5: daredeivil82 ( $1815.00 USD )
Seat 6: mondonewc ( $1470.00 USD )
Seat 7: myrren ( $2690.00 USD )
Seat 8: hrom1943 ( $1505.00 USD )
Seat 9: CelicaNollie ( $3100.00 USD )
daredeivil82 posts small blind [$25.00 USD].
mondonewc posts big blind [$50.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [   ]
myrren folds
hrom1943 calls [$50.00 USD]
CelicaNollie raises [$200.00 USD]
NickAces12 folds
MateusMouraa folds
pokernutdad folds
daredeivil82 folds
mondonewc raises [$1420.00 USD]
hrom1943 folds
CelicaNollie calls [$1270.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
mondonewc shows [, ]
CelicaNollie shows [, ]
CelicaNollie wins $3015.00 USD from main pot

Hand 3

Is this fine or is he too short and so will call to wide for this to be +ev

***** Hand History for Game 37742052920 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 06, 12:53:22 ET 2010
Table 229271224 1 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 2: CPAkid ( $22997.00 USD )
Seat 4: mondonewc ( $18207.00 USD )
Seat 8: Netter17 ( $8475.00 USD )
Seat 9: mitflamen ( $17821.00 USD )
CPAkid posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
mondonewc posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Netter17 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
mitflamen posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
mondonewc posts small blind [$800.00 USD].
Netter17 posts big blind [$1600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [   ]
mitflamen folds
CPAkid folds
mondonewc raises [$17332.00 USD]
Netter17 calls [$6800.00 USD]
mondonewc wins $9732.00 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
mondonewc shows [, ]
Netter17 shows [, ]
Netter17 wins $17100.00 USD from main pot

Hand 4

Is this fine with our stack size ?

***** Hand History for Game 37741482518 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, January 06, 12:40:30 ET 2010
Table 229271224 4 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Netter17 ( $3825.00 USD )
Seat 3: volcanoz76 ( $2262.00 USD )
Seat 4: mondonewc ( $12565.00 USD )
Seat 6: vecinodel0 ( $3471.00 USD )
Seat 8: mitflamen ( $2720.00 USD )
Netter17 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
volcanoz76 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
mondonewc posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
vecinodel0 posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
mitflamen posts ante of [$50.00 USD].
volcanoz76 posts small blind [$400.00 USD].
mondonewc posts big blind [$800.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mondonewc [   ]
vecinodel0 raises [$3421.00 USD]
mitflamen folds
Netter17 folds
volcanoz76 folds
mondonewc calls [$2621.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
mondonewc shows [, ]
vecinodel0 shows [, ]
mondonewc wins $7492.00 USD from main pot

Thanks

The first 3 really aren't just because i've lost i've been in a similar spot a few times now and just looking for advice/reassurance

[thetank]

#1 and #3 are super standard
I call #4 too (for the meta!)

2 is a tough one and depends on who raiser is. You've got to give a good reg and/or a nitty reg credit for 4xing over one limper in EP and figure that JJ shove won't get you too much value. Against random it's fine.

I wouldn't consider folding from BB. Peeling is possible, with your stack you have to go bust is flop doesn't bring an over.

[thetank]

For best results in future, delete the results part of the hands you post (in these four, from dealing flop on is not needed) as it may taint the advice you get.

You can't be accused of being results orientated if you're not actually posting the results.

[mondatoo]

^^^^ True,i posted results as i was only expecting replies off people who i wouldn't expect results orientated advice on and didn't want to waste time on full depth analysis.

Hand 1 I thought was standard only reason i put it up is i need to gain a better understanding of icm in relation to stack sizes etc and just wondered

Hand 2 I had no info on oppo as never played with before

Thanks for responses

[Longy]

I think they are all good, I would say 4 is the closest but you are probably just about the getting the correct odds.

[anthonyl]

on the topic of 45 players, what % should you be winning, and what % should you be getting paid? I am only winning 3.2%, and paid in 19% of them over 1,123 games..

this has probably been mentioned somewhere else but i couldn't find it, thanks!

[Longy]

on the topic of 45 players, what % should you be winning, and what % should you be getting paid? I am only winning 3.2%, and paid in 19% of them over 1,123 games..

this has probably been mentioned somewhere else but i couldn't find it, thanks!

Those figures 3.2 and 19 seems about right to me. I will check my database for you later.

[anthonyl]

thanks, i thought about 5 and 20% would be a decent return

[Longy]

From my last 5000 games.

ITM = 19.7%
1st's = 3.7%

[thetank]

Win 3.4%
ITM 17.5% (1st-6th)
3,100 games

[moonandback]

win 2.9%
place 19%
5276 games +$8k nasty couple of break even stretches in there too



Longy and Tank are better ldo

[gribbo]

hey have been playing quite a lot of the 90 man ko sngs at the $3 and $6 recently building up my account, having trouble in these with around 25-9 left where the final table bubble kicks in and i am hovering around a 8-12 bb stack which is usually around the average with say 3 6 handed tables.

I know it is a vague question but how light are you guys shoving here on average from say button and bvb etc, also hands like 44-88 utg kqs/kjs? I would normally ship these and am getting a bit pissed that im losing a few buyins in these recent.

[Longy]

Shipping very wide bvb virtually 100%, shipping like top 60-70% from the button as well. Would shove 44-88 utg, kqs and kjs I would shove with about 8bbs not much more.

[gribbo]

thanks, another question when using like an icm calculater ( i use the one on holdemresources.net) what would be the correct way to enter the structure for one of these 90 man sngs? I think you can only enter 5 payouts