3 way live pot, set on a 2 spade board.

[Sighmuns]

This is my first ever hand analysis post, so advice of how to be clearer would be appreciated, but i'll do my best.

It was a live game, £100 buyin, 45 min clock, 10k starting.

Seat 7 is generally TAG, seems to defend his big hands with sizable bets, hasn't played many hands, Seat 9 calls a lot, has been seen to limp with non premium aces.

Blinds 75/150. Seat 7 has 14-16k, Seat 8 (hero) has 22k'ish, Seat 9 has 12kish. Table is 9 handed.

Folds to hijack, Seat 7(hijack) raises to 400. Hero in Seat 8(cutoff) calls with   . Seat 9(button) also calls. Blinds fold.

Flop comes   .

Seat 7 checks, hero bets 950, Seat 9 calls.

Seat 7 raises to 3000.

Hero?

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I've spoken to a couple of mates about this spot, and have come to a conclusion as to what i'll be doing if this spot comes up again, but Seat 7 is quite a well known member of Blonde, so figured it would be worth posting. I am fairly sure of all the details, but not certain, so i've done my best to recreate the spot.

[LeedsRhodesy]

i think i might Flat call the 3000 mate and try get the seat 9 in to,   when the turn come without a spade Ace or King my chips are going in

[EvilPie]

Seat 7 looks like a flush draw with the  . It's a perfect c/r spot for him and really standard.

Given this I think I just get the lot in now. If he wants to hit his flush make him pay his whole stack for it now.

Given what's in the pot now I can't see the point of doing a flat call to trap the guy. If the turn comes a spade you're hating life, if it's a non spade he's not paying you off anyway unless he's tez.

If you've been out setted then just have a shoulder shrug and start rebuilding your stack.

[StuartHopkin]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

[Cf]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

[TheChipPrince]

Flat.  Give them some rope.

[EvilPie]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

[StuartHopkin]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

[StuartHopkin]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

I know were happy to get it all in here and get called by a draw.
I just think we can keep the pot controlled, see the turn, re evaluate, probably still get paid, possible from both, and preserve chips if the spades are on their way.

[EvilPie]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

The  would suggest to me that we're probably about to do a chunk of our stack against a bigger full house. There's no way that at least one oppo hasn't got either the nut flush draw, top 2 or a set so the  suggests that we're in the shit.

[EvilPie]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

I know were happy to get it all in here and get called by a draw.
I just think we can keep the pot controlled, see the turn, re evaluate, probably still get paid, possible from both, and preserve chips if the spades are on their way.

Why pot control when we think we're ahead? The only form of pot control I want here is trying to make it as big as possible while I think I'm ahead. Seat 7 has shown us that he isn't bothered about pot control so there's a strong chance that he'll get the lot in now. If he doesn't then we just take his 3k, add to our already nice stack and continue to dominate the table.

[Royal Flush]

People check raising here are never folding to a jam, it just makes no sense, so jam!

[White]

There's a lot of hands calling shove considering what's in the pot already.  Pretty much every AsXs, JTss, QJss, QTss, AK, probs even AQ sometimes.  Flatting and hoping for a nonspade turn just seems trivial when villain's calling range is presumably fairly wide on such a draw heavy board.  Get it in

[StuartHopkin]

Get it in. If he has AA/KK then ul. If he has a fd he might call but isn't getting the price. If he's got AK then wiiii

Are we not losing value from a big chunk of both players ranges if we shove?
By flatting we keep them both in (probably) and we probably get more in on the turn if it bricks.

Rhodsey? Why dont we want to see and Ace or a King, either card would be heaven, the   would be amazing.

The ace of spades the ace of spades!

The  would suggest to me that we're probably about to do a chunk of our stack against a bigger full house. There's no way that at least one oppo hasn't got either the nut flush draw, top 2 or a set so the  suggests that we're in the shit.

I think we find worse thatn top 2, or a flush draw very often.

[StuartHopkin]

I think i do a flat call here.

Some people are probs going to disagree with me because of the two spades, but I just dont roll like that.

I disagree but not because I'm scared of the 2 spades. We want oppo to get it in while he's behind and there's a very good chance he'll play for stacks with the nut flush draw. Most players will so there's no reason to think this guy won't.

If we do a flat call now the only way we're getting the rest of his stack in the middle is if he actually hits the turn and we're behind.

I know were happy to get it all in here and get called by a draw.
I just think we can keep the pot controlled, see the turn, re evaluate, probably still get paid, possible from both, and preserve chips if the spades are on their way.

Why pot control when we think we're ahead? The only form of pot control I want here is trying to make it as big as possible while I think I'm ahead. Seat 7 has shown us that he isn't bothered about pot control so there's a strong chance that he'll get the lot in now. If he doesn't then we just take his 3k, add to our already nice stack and continue to dominate the table.

Im not saying getting it in is bad. I just see the opportunity to keep it 3-way and see the turn before I get my stack in a little more appealing.