after flop line, wtf do i do here?

[NigDawG]

I think calling this river v nsb would be profitable.

amen brother

[Royal Flush]

Nah i probs fire a turn A, unless guy appears bad then i just check.

sound, so as played u b/f all 3 streets readless?

Errm not bet folding when i bink an Ace

Probably should be. This is why I wouldn't bet.

How often do you play the early tilt 150?

[SupaMonkey]

I call, you've played scared/weak all thorugh the hand and the board looks scary now. He is jamming thinking that you just can't call because you can't have any idea what he has.

[railtard1]

I call, you've played scared/weak all thorugh the hand and the board looks scary now. He is jamming thinking that you just can't call because you can't have any idea what he has.

scared / weak huh? really.. AFTER the flop line (which is admittedly awful) the turn plays itself i think... what do you suggest i do on turn, donk into him? C/R?
As tom said earlier, villain is very good and it should have been a call vs HIM, but not vs some / most!

[Royal Flush]

scared / weak huh? really..

You are right you have played this super strong and aggressive...

[Dubai]

Villain posts ridiculous 3 barrel spots on 2+2 and thinks he is better than he is. As played its a very easy call.

[Cottonbud]

Villain posts ridiculous 3 barrel spots on 2+2 and thinks he is better than he is. As played its a very easy call.

[ ] Good way to get people to fold to you when you 3 barrel, WP Villain.

[Dubai]

Middys analyse of his range and his perceived view of our range is pretty much bang on. He is likely to show with a 87s etc a load because he perceives the board to improve street by street for 3 barreling into our range.

[Royal Flush]

I think middy is the best as well, he is going to save us all

+1

[AlexMartin]

Errm not bet folding when i bink an Ace

Date: 2010/01/13 17:06:55 ET
Type: Tournament (126773901)
Game: Hold'em NL
Table: 30
Blinds:  $100/200

Table info:
Seat 1: xROUNDER12x ($7,540)
Seat 2: nabjuna ($1,640)
Seat 3: railtard1 ($13,100)
Seat 4: Bourbonftw ($4,615)
Seat 5: farno ($17,652)
Seat 6: NeverScaredB ($11,616)
Posts small blind $100
Seat 7: dreampokerman ($20,473)
Posts big blind $200
Seat 8: Roy Winston ($4,457)
Seat 9: grand slam xv ($10,885)

Dealt to railtard1 
 
Preflop: (Pot: $300)
FOLD grand slam xv
FOLD xROUNDER12x
FOLD nabjuna
RAISE railtard1, to $490
FOLD Bourbonftw
FOLD farno
CALL NeverScaredB, $490
FOLD dreampokerman
FOLD Roy Winston

Flop: (Pot: $1,280)
     
BET railtard1, $875
CALL NeverScaredB, $875

Turn:  (Pot: $3,030)
     
BET railtard1, $2,000
RAISE NeverScaredB, $4,999
railtard1 ??

So what do you do here? Think it's a fold personally. Best hand we beat, ATo, never raises here, since the turn hits our range so hard no draw ever raises here since his implieds go up and his fold equity goes down, so it's nuts or air. Don't really see many people thinking "hey this is a good spot to bluff", unless they're good enough to know/think we'd pot control top pair and therefore think we don't have it. Depends what level we're on. Versus 98% of the world it's a fold imo.

+1000

[Cottonbud]

Obv, because his range is polarised to sets/two pair and air hands. But this would rarely happen the likelyhood if we played this hand in this fashion (the correct line) is he just folds the turn or hero calls us with a jack on the turn, cos he knows the ace is a scare card we can rep. Ez game.

[Royal Flush]

Errm not bet folding when i bink an Ace

Date: 2010/01/13 17:06:55 ET
Type: Tournament (126773901)
Game: Hold'em NL
Table: 30
Blinds:  $100/200

Table info:
Seat 1: xROUNDER12x ($7,540)
Seat 2: nabjuna ($1,640)
Seat 3: railtard1 ($13,100)
Seat 4: Bourbonftw ($4,615)
Seat 5: farno ($17,652)
Seat 6: NeverScaredB ($11,616)
Posts small blind $100
Seat 7: dreampokerman ($20,473)
Posts big blind $200
Seat 8: Roy Winston ($4,457)
Seat 9: grand slam xv ($10,885)

Dealt to railtard1 
 
Preflop: (Pot: $300)
FOLD grand slam xv
FOLD xROUNDER12x
FOLD nabjuna
RAISE railtard1, to $490
FOLD Bourbonftw
FOLD farno
CALL NeverScaredB, $490
FOLD dreampokerman
FOLD Roy Winston

Flop: (Pot: $1,280)
     
BET railtard1, $875
CALL NeverScaredB, $875

Turn:  (Pot: $3,030)
     
BET railtard1, $2,000
RAISE NeverScaredB, $4,999
railtard1 ??

So what do you do here? Think it's a fold personally. Best hand we beat, ATo, never raises here, since the turn hits our range so hard no draw ever raises here since his implieds go up and his fold equity goes down, so it's nuts or air. Don't really see many people thinking "hey this is a good spot to bluff", unless they're good enough to know/think we'd pot control top pair and therefore think we don't have it. Depends what level we're on. Versus 98% of the world it's a fold imo.

+1000

Ha first off this is the tilt 150, so quite a lot of that 2% is in this field.

Secondly if we overbet the turn (imo) and he raises then i would suggest his range is air and air, so would be fist pumping here.

Again i have only played this tournament ~300-500 times so i could be wrong on the ranges.

[Cottonbud]

Disgusting brag

[Royal Flush]

For a similar situation at cash it's a bet-fold on the turn for me.

For sure it might well be, i dont know about cash though, just comps.

[Cottonbud]

For a similar situation at cash it's a bet-fold on the turn for me.

For sure it might well be, i dont know about cash though, just comps.

In cash.. players will call down a Jack here and a big part of there floating range will be wheel draws meaning they've just turned an ace. Making this an easy turn to bet for value, and for when we are double-barrelling as a bluff against all medium and small pocket pairs. But if raised yeah its an easy fold in cash.