Hand v gregior villain, 100r ipokes midway

[AlexMartin]

k, most ppl here know greg, unorthodox mtt grinder, kinda nitty pre antes then somewhat laggy/out of line post. in my experience plays his absolute hand strength a lot of the time (which obv works as he beats the game) but can deffo spew on occassion.

Blinds 125/250 25 ante, ipoker 100r, hero has 35k, villain 3X's from the cutoff with a 16k stack, we flat AK otb as we have some decent mtt grinders on our left with 30bb stacks, notably a blonde grinder and timex.

HU to flop, villain bets 1375 into 3k on  , we flat

Turn  , villain bets 3600 into circa 5.5k, we call

River  , villain bets 6800 into 13k, leaving himself 3kish.

what do doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?

[NigDawG]

i would 3bet pre but w/e

how do you think he views you and do you have any history with villain where you have called down before? how has he seen you play your flush draws? do we have the or ?

turn is obv a good card for him to barrell but when you call turn you kinda have to have KQ/combo draw alot so i think we see him give up on river. i am confused a bit by it but i think its a fold.

[pleno1]

I'm not sure how you play tournaments, but I get the impression you are LAG when playing cash, if your reputation does come before you/ you have got your stack from some funky plays then  I am def 3bet/getting it in here pre. Do we have ? I think it's pretty close. I think our hand is pretty underrepped and we have close to the top of our range here, which sucks if we fold. But we aren't beating any hands that oppo is betting for value, but with giving your info that he can be spewy post antes then it makes it even closer. I'm guessing you dont want to divulge any more info on villain as he is a member here etc, but little betting patterns/other specific notes you have on him would be critical in deciding. Without them I flip a coin.

[Royal Flush]

3b getting it in pre vs greg is deffo the best line but not as good as some people think, he isn't going to have air.

[Dewi_cool]

 

[Cottonbud]

Fold, Fold, Fold! I think he has QQ too even if he doesn't he prob has at worst Aces, KQ, or A10/J10 of diamonds. AK is noooo good.

[Cf]

I fold. Unless he's at it (and given the way the board has developed I doubt it) then I don't see TPTK beating much in his range that fires all 3 streets here.

[railtard1]

3b getting it in pre vs greg is deffo the best line but not as good as some people think, he isn't going to have air.

Deffo agree with last part.. He plays unorthodox but if you 3bet him here and he does jam, ur certainly not going to see 9Ts or sumink. I have played a fair bit with greg and i would be surprised if he was bluffing here. Also as playd i dont mind just folding the flop.. ?!?

[kinboshi]

3b getting it in pre vs greg is deffo the best line but not as good as some people think, he isn't going to have air.

Deffo agree with last part.. He plays unorthodox but if you 3bet him here and he does jam, ur certainly not going to see 9Ts or sumink. I have played a fair bit with greg and i would be surprised if he was bluffing here. Also as playd i dont mind just folding the flop.. ?!?

I was going to ask why we were flatting the flop here?  What's the plan?

[Cottonbud]

3b getting it in pre vs greg is deffo the best line but not as good as some people think, he isn't going to have air.

Deffo agree with last part.. He plays unorthodox but if you 3bet him here and he does jam, ur certainly not going to see 9Ts or sumink. I have played a fair bit with greg and i would be surprised if he was bluffing here. Also as playd i dont mind just folding the flop.. ?!?

I was going to ask why we were flatting the flop here?  What's the plan?

I would guess Alex was floating him expecting Greg to cbet this flop liberally as its very dry, then on the turn expecting him to give up by checking and allowing Alex to fire the turn comfortably taking down the pot. Alex will also know that ace high is sometimes good on this flop vs most cbets but I am expecting him to bet the turn here alot.

But when he turns top pair top kicker (2 pair Kings and deuces) it's a flat, he doesn't want to raise this turn as all worse hands (double barreling hands) fold and all hands that beat us call our reraise. Now he is in a tricky spot as he is faced with a triple barrel but I think this is a pretty easy fold here tbh.

[NigDawG]

Fold, Fold, Fold! I think he has QQ too even if he doesn't he prob has at worst Aces, KQ, or A10/J10 of diamonds. AK is noooo good.

you think he is betting AA or KQ on river here given that we basically have the nut hand behind those hands (which he is never going to put us on either) and yet we still cant call?

[Cottonbud]

Fold, Fold, Fold! I think he has QQ too even if he doesn't he prob has at worst Aces, KQ, or A10/J10 of diamonds. AK is noooo good.

you think he is betting AA or KQ on river here given that we basically have the nut hand behind those hands (which he is never going to put us on either) and yet we still cant call?

If he's a good player surely he bets both these hands for value I understand we have blockers and we have the nuts behind them. I also understand what we have and he wont put us on that, but is this the sort of player capable of firing 3 barrels to try and make us fold a Queen.  Personally I don't think he's bluffing here I've mentioned what I think is at the top and bottom of his range. I guess he could have AK himself but I'm not sure he fires 3 streets with that or maybe A10/J10 of hearts as his only bluffs.
And If he is infact bluffing then it is a very advanced one and he has played it to perfection imo.

[NigDawG]

i guess if they have some history or if villain thinks hero is a station/non believer then he should bet to get a call from a queen but without that villain is going to expect hero to pass all hands worse than KQ. i guess betting AA to get value from specifically KQ is ok.

i don't think this is a bluff either but it depends alot on how greg has seen/thinks alex plays his flush draws, cos if he rules him out of having that then KQ is pretty much the top of alex's range here and the river is a good card for the three barrel.

[Cottonbud]

i guess if they have some history or if villain thinks hero is a station/non believer then he should bet to get a call from a queen but without that villain is going to expect hero to pass all hands worse than KQ. i guess betting AA to get value from specifically KQ is ok.

i don't think this is a bluff either but it depends alot on how greg has seen/thinks alex plays his flush draws, cos if he rules him out of having that then KQ is pretty much the top of alex's range here and the river is a good card for the three barrel.

Totally agree, if it was me or you barrelling Alex then yeah we would try this play. But from what I've heard Gregior is a solid/tight player.

[Royal Flush]

Blinds 125/250 25 ante, ipoker 100r, hero has 35k, villain 3X's from the cutoff with a 16k stack, we flat AK otb as we have some decent mtt grinders on our left with 30bb stacks, notably a blonde grinder and timex.

Also this thinking is terribly flawed, people are more likely to 4b jam 30bb stacks than they are to 3b.