Everyone has one so why not..

[mondatoo]

fwiw this goes away once you experience the soulcrushing run of bricks that only MTTs offer

congrats on the results though, always nice to see the good guys making some runs

btw we need to organise a huge blonde pissup over ukipt newcastle. Not really bothered about the tournament but I've never been out in newcastle and it sounds incred

Yeah, was going to ask you on Skype about coming up for it, asked MC about it and he going to try, sigh at him having a real life with kids and stuff and it's his sons birthday on the day of the final, I reassured him that it wouldn't be a problem though. Eso Kral also going to try and make it up.

I'm obv biased but I think it's a quality night out, should be able to sort a decent team out.

[cambridgealex]

Took another shot at mtt's today, felt like I've played well in the last couple of mtt sessions I've played and was feeling super confident. Once again though it was a case of close but no cigar. Tbh, although ofc I'm super grateful to be staked and always want to do a bink to make people a decent profit, I wasn't that fussed about "winning" 10k, but losing a flip for 2/13 in the 215 turbo sucked just as much as the Storm did they other day.

The reason being is it's not really about the money for me, and if you've followed the thread recently you'll know that's not because I don't need it. Just long term whether I won 36k or 3k it wouldn't really make a huge difference to my life and it'd be business as usual soon enough. If I where to stop playing Poker tmoro, when I look back on it when I'm old I wouldn't think "when I was younger I won x amount of $" or " I won 27k in a comp once", they only thing I'd always remember is once being ranked #1 in the games I played. That means much more to me than any amount of money.

The thing that makes it hurt with mtt's is I'm just so desperate to experience the feeling of actually winning a comp. Although I had a lot of fun resulting from it, at no point after the Monte Carlo was I ever happy about how I did in the tournament. Like I say, it was great to be able to pay a decent return to backers but from a personal point of view I was just gutted to come so close and not win.

I do realise that it's a little twattish (insert better word) to not just be grateful for the sums of money I have won over the years instead of having a moan sometimes, and don't get me wrong I know I'm very lucky to have what I've got. I just can't help not feeling a bit gutted everytime I come so close to getting that bink and continously fail. Mostly because everytime I get to the last couple of tables I always start to envisage how nice it would be if I did go onto win and I could ring my Mam and Dad up to say, "oioiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, finally did a win". Not that they'd probably even care about it that much and are already really proud of what I've achieved in Poker anyways, but I think it would be quality.

I'm sure if I keep taking shots every now and then, that 1st place finish that has so far eluded me will come.

Perseverance ftw.

Anyways, back to the daily grind for the rest of the week from tmoro. LEGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Don't often post in diaries so forgive the intrusion but what you said about when you get older grabbed my attention. Listen, everyone will look back when older with wiser heads, not from the same perspective. The old mondatoo will say damn straight poker is all about the money and not some infatuation with prestige or first place. He will say if you feel a bit gutted after not achieving first place in an mtt you will be feeling a bit gutted a lot of the time. Old mondatoo would tell you that is a waste of time and prob slap you in the face also.

+EV to approach poker by fist-pumping wins very hard and snap moving on after any defeat completely fucking emotionless.

Very good post Mantis!

[RED-DOG]

Yeah! Fuck it, and don't forget to eff and blind to prove just how completely fucking emotionless you really are. 

[mondatoo]

Yeah! Fuck it, and don't forget to eff and blind to prove just how completely fucking emotionless you really are. 

What does it matter if people want to swear a little when they're annoyed ?  I agree it's a bit much if someones every second word is bad language, and ofc you should never swear into front of kids. But on a Poker forum why does anyone care if someone wants to do that ? Have you never shouted at the screen when you've lost before ? I like to write my diary in a genuine way, and thus the words I use in here are words that I regularly use from my vocabulary, I'm not having a dig at you here but I don't like to Google a basic word so that I can find a much better one to use in here then when I read it back I have no clue what the word even meant. If someone wants to judge my intelligence or what kind of person I am by the fact I swear a little then fair enough, gl to them.

And glgl finding many who do as Mantis says and are "completely fu**ing emotionless" after any defeat, I'd say that <1% of people in poker manage that, and 99% of them have the abs lot.

[smashedagain]

Yeah! Fuck it, and don't forget to eff and blind to prove just how completely fucking emotionless you really are. 

What does it matter if people want to swear a little when they're annoyed ?  I agree it's a bit much if someones every second word is bad language, and ofc you should never swear into front of kids. But on a Poker forum why does anyone care if someone wants to do that ? Have you never shouted at the screen when you've lost before ? I like to write my diary in a genuine way, and thus the words I use in here are words that I regularly use from my vocabulary, I'm not having a dig at you here but I don't like to Google a basic word so that I can find a much better one to use in here then when I read it back I have no clue what the word even meant. If someone wants to judge my intelligence or what kind of person I am by the fact I swear a little then fair enough, gl to them.

And glgl finding many who do as Mantis says and are "completely fu**ing emotionless" after any defeat, I'd say that <1% of people in poker manage that, and 99% of them have the abs lot.

emotions and frustrations are part of our makeup.
Played the grand prix last night were no one folds. Raised 5 hands first 2 level and got 4 callers every hand and bleed a third of my stack without winning one.  I then wait a full hour and obv raise AQ and manage to just get two callers. Flop Q 3 5 turn A river 2. Managed to convince myself one of the two callers must have a set. Both showdown 2 4 and 7 4 and I could not resist a slightly mardy outburst despite one of em beings mate Jim moult

[RED-DOG]

Yeah! Fuck it, and don't forget to eff and blind to prove just how completely fucking emotionless you really are. 

What does it matter if people want to swear a little when they're annoyed ?  I agree it's a bit much if someones every second word is bad language, and ofc you should never swear into front of kids. But on a Poker forum why does anyone care if someone wants to do that ? Have you never shouted at the screen when you've lost before ? I like to write my diary in a genuine way, and thus the words I use in here are words that I regularly use from my vocabulary, I'm not having a dig at you here but I don't like to Google a basic word so that I can find a much better one to use in here then when I read it back I have no clue what the word even meant. If someone wants to judge my intelligence or what kind of person I am by the fact I swear a little then fair enough, gl to them.

And glgl finding many who do as Mantis says and are "completely fu**ing emotionless" after any defeat, I'd say that <1% of people in poker manage that, and 99% of them have the abs lot.

Sigh...

It was a joke monda. Swearing - emotionless...  geddit?

[MANTIS01]

Look, poker is always going to lol slap us in the chops at any given moment. You will be slapped in the chops and kicked in the bollocks in all sorts of brutal ways much much more than you get to fist-pump. It is the nature of the beast. People are free to choose whatever attitude they want to this reality. Personally thou I don’t think it’s the best idea to let poker bash you up so people should aspire to become immune to the uncontrollable. Hence we should attempt to arrive at a state of fucking emotionless.

My point was that when we are old and have the wisdom to recognise life is so rich and colourful and every second is a gift we will lol at our younger selves and how we wasted valuable time ruing what is gone and finished.

As for this swearing stuff it can be taken completely in the wrong way. It’s not always an expression of annoyance or whatever. In fact RED-DOG nails my use by accident or maybe shrewdness, prob by accident thou. As monda says it is tough to dig inside and find the emotionless side of your persona. But it will be in there somewhere and it is likely he is a bad ass with a long black leather coat who swears a lot. Hence it is a fucking emotionless state because it accurately describes the mindset you’re seeking. Think it was Wordsworth who said words are like colours, and swearing is just another colour in the palette, might be a dark black colour but still good option for any artist.

[mondatoo]

Yeah! Fuck it, and don't forget to eff and blind to prove just how completely fucking emotionless you really are. 

What does it matter if people want to swear a little when they're annoyed ?  I agree it's a bit much if someones every second word is bad language, and ofc you should never swear into front of kids. But on a Poker forum why does anyone care if someone wants to do that ? Have you never shouted at the screen when you've lost before ? I like to write my diary in a genuine way, and thus the words I use in here are words that I regularly use from my vocabulary, I'm not having a dig at you here but I don't like to Google a basic word so that I can find a much better one to use in here then when I read it back I have no clue what the word even meant. If someone wants to judge my intelligence or what kind of person I am by the fact I swear a little then fair enough, gl to them.

And glgl finding many who do as Mantis says and are "completely fu**ing emotionless" after any defeat, I'd say that <1% of people in poker manage that, and 99% of them have the abs lot.

Sigh...

It was a joke monda. Swearing - emotionless...  geddit?

I actually thought it might be, although the smiley did make me wonder.

I didn't think you were having a go at me, as I don't think I even swore after any results yday, well apart from twatish, nor was I you regards vocab, but thought it was still a point worth making as I do think a lot of people think that way.

That or I'd slept in and just woke up

[mondatoo]

Took another shot at mtt's today, felt like I've played well in the last couple of mtt sessions I've played and was feeling super confident. Once again though it was a case of close but no cigar. Tbh, although ofc I'm super grateful to be staked and always want to do a bink to make people a decent profit, I wasn't that fussed about "winning" 10k, but losing a flip for 2/13 in the 215 turbo sucked just as much as the Storm did they other day.

The reason being is it's not really about the money for me, and if you've followed the thread recently you'll know that's not because I don't need it. Just long term whether I won 36k or 3k it wouldn't really make a huge difference to my life and it'd be business as usual soon enough. If I where to stop playing Poker tmoro, when I look back on it when I'm old I wouldn't think "when I was younger I won x amount of $" or " I won 27k in a comp once", they only thing I'd always remember is once being ranked #1 in the games I played. That means much more to me than any amount of money.

The thing that makes it hurt with mtt's is I'm just so desperate to experience the feeling of actually winning a comp. Although I had a lot of fun resulting from it, at no point after the Monte Carlo was I ever happy about how I did in the tournament. Like I say, it was great to be able to pay a decent return to backers but from a personal point of view I was just gutted to come so close and not win.

I do realise that it's a little twattish (insert better word) to not just be grateful for the sums of money I have won over the years instead of having a moan sometimes, and don't get me wrong I know I'm very lucky to have what I've got. I just can't help not feeling a bit gutted everytime I come so close to getting that bink and continously fail. Mostly because everytime I get to the last couple of tables I always start to envisage how nice it would be if I did go onto win and I could ring my Mam and Dad up to say, "oioiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, finally did a win". Not that they'd probably even care about it that much and are already really proud of what I've achieved in Poker anyways, but I think it would be quality.

I'm sure if I keep taking shots every now and then, that 1st place finish that has so far eluded me will come.

Perseverance ftw.

Anyways, back to the daily grind for the rest of the week from tmoro. LEGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Don't often post in diaries so forgive the intrusion but what you said about when you get older grabbed my attention. Listen, everyone will look back when older with wiser heads, not from the same perspective. The old mondatoo will say damn straight poker is all about the money and not some infatuation with prestige or first place. He will say if you feel a bit gutted after not achieving first place in an mtt you will be feeling a bit gutted a lot of the time. Old mondatoo would tell you that is a waste of time and prob slap you in the face also.

+EV to approach poker by fist-pumping wins very hard and snap moving on after any defeat completely fucking emotionless.

Look, poker is always going to lol slap us in the chops at any given moment. You will be slapped in the chops and kicked in the bollocks in all sorts of brutal ways much much more than you get to fist-pump. It is the nature of the beast. People are free to choose whatever attitude they want to this reality. Personally thou I don’t think it’s the best idea to let poker bash you up so people should aspire to become immune to the uncontrollable. Hence we should attempt to arrive at a state of fucking emotionless.

My point was that when we are old and have the wisdom to recognise life is so rich and colourful and every second is a gift we will lol at our younger selves and how we wasted valuable time ruing what is gone and finished.

As for this swearing stuff it can be taken completely in the wrong way. It’s not always an expression of annoyance or whatever. In fact RED-DOG nails my use by accident or maybe shrewdness, prob by accident thou. As monda says it is tough to dig inside and find the emotionless side of your persona. But it will be in there somewhere and it is likely he is a bad ass with a long black leather coat who swears a lot. Hence it is a fucking emotionless state because it accurately describes the mindset you’re seeking. Think it was Wordsworth who said words are like colours, and swearing is just another colour in the palette, might be a dark black colour but still good option for any artist.

Find this pretty condescending btw, comes across to me like you are speaking down to me as you are somehow so much wiser than I am with regards to this subject. I am well aware of the importance of keeping control of your emotions, which is why I know you shouldn't be fist pumping when you win either, just grind along and embrace it all. Not really a big deal if I take the odd shot and I'm disappointed when I don't get there when I come close.

Maybe I'm just very defensive today, either way thanks for your interesting input as ever.

[DMorgan]

You have to remember with Mantis that he has little/no frame of reference when it comes to playing poker for a living or any of the poker-specific facets of the profession. That isn't to say that I don't think that Mantis has valuable knowledge to impart and isn't a pretty savvy guy in general. There are a lot of subjects where I think that his input would be valuable, but he hasn't managed to focus his energies yet on the subjects that he can actually make a worthwhile contribution to, hence the flaming he regularly gets when posting on the topic of staking and he for sure gets a kick out of that.

Basically he's an antagonistic little fucker - but he's not stupid. So yeah, poker related musings are to be taken with a large pinch of salt

[MANTIS01]

You have to remember with Mantis that he has little/no frame of reference when it comes to playing poker for a living or any of the poker-specific facets of the profession. That isn't to say that I don't think that Mantis has valuable knowledge to impart and isn't a pretty savvy guy in general. There are a lot of subjects where I think that his input would be valuable, but he hasn't managed to focus his energies yet on the subjects that he can actually make a worthwhile contribution to, hence the flaming he regularly gets when posting on the topic of staking and he for sure gets a kick out of that.

Basically he's an antagonistic little fucker - but he's not stupid. So yeah, poker related musings are to be taken with a large pinch of salt

For the record your post is very inaccurate. I stumbled across Mond's post last night about how he feels following defeat/misfortune and thought I would take the trouble to pass on some genuine advice because he comes across as a good guy. I can't honestly see where I have been antagonistic or condescending but I do forget I'm dealing with some ultra sensitive people when I use this poker forum so who knows. Monda I am sorry I told you not to feel bad. You are free to feel as bad as you like.

When I used to coach golf for a living I studied NLP extensively and have a library at home full of texts about positive mental attitude. It is a subject that interests me greatly and a subject I have a lot of knowledge about. I have also been playing poker for 10 years. The fact is the principles of mental recovery are exactly the same whatever the game, the sport, or the misfortune. However, you are suggesting there is a specific poker related theory about mental recovery that only people who are professionals can possibly know. I would be happy to hear your own poker related musings about that theory and I'm happy to learn from you accordingly.

I would also be happy for you to quote either of my posts and point out where I'm being an antagonistic little fucker. I think that title is much better suited to you in all reality. At your young age you already clearly know everything there is to know.

[Acidmouse]

Pure pwnage. Headshot as they say.

[mondatoo]

You have to remember with Mantis that he has little/no frame of reference when it comes to playing poker for a living or any of the poker-specific facets of the profession. That isn't to say that I don't think that Mantis has valuable knowledge to impart and isn't a pretty savvy guy in general. There are a lot of subjects where I think that his input would be valuable, but he hasn't managed to focus his energies yet on the subjects that he can actually make a worthwhile contribution to, hence the flaming he regularly gets when posting on the topic of staking and he for sure gets a kick out of that.

Basically he's an antagonistic little fucker - but he's not stupid. So yeah, poker related musings are to be taken with a large pinch of salt

For the record your post is very inaccurate. I stumbled across Mond's post last night about how he feels following defeat/misfortune and thought I would take the trouble to pass on some genuine advice because he comes across as a good guy. I can't honestly see where I have been antagonistic or condescending but I do forget I'm dealing with some ultra sensitive people when I use this poker forum so who knows. Monda I am sorry I told you not to feel bad. You are free to feel as bad as you like.

When I used to coach golf for a living I studied NLP extensively and have a library at home full of texts about positive mental attitude. It is a subject that interests me greatly and a subject I have a lot of knowledge about. I have also been playing poker for 10 years. The fact is the principles of mental recovery are exactly the same whatever the game, the sport, or the misfortune. However, you are suggesting there is a specific poker related theory about mental recovery that only people who are professionals can possibly know. I would be happy to hear your own poker related musings about that theory and I'm happy to learn from you accordingly.

I would also be happy for you to quote either of my posts and point out where I'm being an antagonistic little fucker. I think that title is much better suited to you in all reality. At your young age you already clearly know everything there is to know.

In session so haven't read properly but was just referring to parts I bolded. Look, Listen, just comes across that way to me.

[DMorgan]

You have to remember with Mantis that he has little/no frame of reference when it comes to playing poker for a living or any of the poker-specific facets of the profession. That isn't to say that I don't think that Mantis has valuable knowledge to impart and isn't a pretty savvy guy in general. There are a lot of subjects where I think that his input would be valuable, but he hasn't managed to focus his energies yet on the subjects that he can actually make a worthwhile contribution to, hence the flaming he regularly gets when posting on the topic of staking and he for sure gets a kick out of that.

Basically he's an antagonistic little fucker - but he's not stupid. So yeah, poker related musings are to be taken with a large pinch of salt

For the record your post is very inaccurate. I stumbled across Mond's post last night about how he feels following defeat/misfortune and thought I would take the trouble to pass on some genuine advice because he comes across as a good guy. I can't honestly see where I have been antagonistic or condescending but I do forget I'm dealing with some ultra sensitive people when I use this poker forum so who knows. Monda I am sorry I told you not to feel bad. You are free to feel as bad as you like.

When I used to coach golf for a living I studied NLP extensively and have a library at home full of texts about positive mental attitude. It is a subject that interests me greatly and a subject I have a lot of knowledge about. I have also been playing poker for 10 years. The fact is the principles of mental recovery are exactly the same whatever the game, the sport, or the misfortune. However, you are suggesting there is a specific poker related theory about mental recovery that only people who are professionals can possibly know. I would be happy to hear your own poker related musings about that theory and I'm happy to learn from you accordingly.

I would also be happy for you to quote either of my posts and point out where I'm being an antagonistic little fucker. I think that title is much better suited to you in all reality. At your young age you already clearly know everything there is to know.

fwiw the last line was in jest, hence antagonistic being in italics but I guess that is hard to convey in text format.

My post was actually a backhanded compliment but I guess it didn't come across that way...

[mondatoo]

You have to remember with Mantis that he has little/no frame of reference when it comes to playing poker for a living or any of the poker-specific facets of the profession. That isn't to say that I don't think that Mantis has valuable knowledge to impart and isn't a pretty savvy guy in general. There are a lot of subjects where I think that his input would be valuable, but he hasn't managed to focus his energies yet on the subjects that he can actually make a worthwhile contribution to, hence the flaming he regularly gets when posting on the topic of staking and he for sure gets a kick out of that.

Basically he's an antagonistic little fucker - but he's not stupid. So yeah, poker related musings are to be taken with a large pinch of salt

For the record your post is very inaccurate. I stumbled across Mond's post last night about how he feels following defeat/misfortune and thought I would take the trouble to pass on some genuine advice because he comes across as a good guy. I can't honestly see where I have been antagonistic or condescending but I do forget I'm dealing with some ultra sensitive people when I use this poker forum so who knows. Monda I am sorry I told you not to feel bad. You are free to feel as bad as you like.

When I used to coach golf for a living I studied NLP extensively and have a library at home full of texts about positive mental attitude. It is a subject that interests me greatly and a subject I have a lot of knowledge about. I have also been playing poker for 10 years. The fact is the principles of mental recovery are exactly the same whatever the game, the sport, or the misfortune. However, you are suggesting there is a specific poker related theory about mental recovery that only people who are professionals can possibly know. I would be happy to hear your own poker related musings about that theory and I'm happy to learn from you accordingly.

I would also be happy for you to quote either of my posts and point out where I'm being an antagonistic little fucker. I think that title is much better suited to you in all reality. At your young age you already clearly know everything there is to know.

I mentioned awhile back itt that I found the concept of PMA really interesting, Claypole was meant to recommend some books to me about the subject but guess he forgot, fuck that guy. Which would you advise to read ?

Do you not think it's just the tinniest bit condescending to start a sentence with "Look," or "Listen," when you are going to give your opinion about something ? That was how the tone of your post came across to me anyways and I definitely don't believe I am ultra sensitive.