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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 11:25:23 AM »

What I know about SEO is <<<<<<< what kinboshi knows, he's the pro. I just hobbied with it a few years back and spoke to people about SEO more than I employed the techniques myself so take this for what it's worth. 2 cents

I'd say that there is no substitute for a good website. To concentrate on meeting the needs of whatever people are googling >> manipulating the metrics and whoring for links.

Think of yourself as working with google, rather than against them. Improving the googler's google experience by providing exactly what they want in your website in a very obvious and accesible way.
Google analytics is a marv marv marv tool to the end of finding what the googler wants.

Obv manipulating metrics, whoring for links and all the rest of it has a part to play somewhere along the line, and having a site that been around for years can be very helpful.
I've seen a lot of bloggers concentrate too much on this side of things though. The google people are smarter than they are, if they don't have what a googler wants, they're not going to stay on the front page for long.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2010, 12:09:57 PM »

That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2010, 12:36:31 PM »

That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too Tongue

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2010, 12:41:40 PM »

That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too Tongue

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time Wink

Have you spoke to Denise yet Dan? 
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2010, 01:47:42 PM »

going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2010, 01:50:24 PM »

That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too Tongue

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time Wink

Have you spoke to Denise yet Dan? 

Keep calling and getting answer machine.  Will try her again on Sunday.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2010, 02:53:21 PM »

going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc Smiley

I hear it helps to buy an old dead site and ressurect it, as they will already have lots of indexy thingymabobbies done on it by search engines, than starting off a new site from scratch. I've heard it said that there's no point SEO-ing anything under 6 months old. kinboshi I'm sure can tell you if there's any truth to that.


With blogging, if you're looking to build an audience then realistically, the only way is to read and participate in others blogs and keep doing so for the ones who reciprocate. It's not a case of if you build it they will come, you have to go out and get them, do unto others as it were. If that's not something your friend enjoys then I wouldn't bother with blogging.
There's plenty online blogging community sites and initiatives to put you in touch with other bloggers and wotnot. Obv best to concentrate on blogs in your niche or related niches.
This is applicable for both personal blogs, and ones with some sort of commercial or buisness purpose.

Natural traffic (of people who actually might read your site, rather than dodgy schemes to get junk hits) from search engines only can only be expected from bigger established blogs. To get there you have to do the whole blog reading thing yourself to get your own site active and happening. If your content is quality then word will gradually spread, people will recommend you for this that and the other.
Writing something and expecting the world to come read if you just do a bit of SEO, and nothing else, will just be a source of frustration. Not saying that's what your friend is expecting (indeed, how would I know?) just giving some general advice.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2010, 03:14:20 PM »

going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc Smiley

I hear it helps to buy an old dead site and ressurect it, as they will already have lots of indexy thingymabobbies done on it by search engines, than starting off a new site from scratch. I've heard it said that there's no point SEO-ing anything under 6 months old. kinboshi I'm sure can tell you if there's any truth to that.


It is certainly easier to get a site ranking well if the domain has been around for a while and has been indexed and ranked by Google previously.  But there's nothing stopping you getting a brand new domain and getting it to rank strongly within 6 months - it'll just take a bit more effort and money.  If you can afford to be a little patient then that helps.

Because SEO doesn't produce overnight results, many will use PPC advertising to generate traffic in the early days of a site - but that can be prohibitively expensive in some markets.

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With blogging, if you're looking to build an audience then realistically, the only way is to read and participate in others blogs and keep doing so for the ones who reciprocate. It's not a case of if you build it they will come, you have to go out and get them, do unto others as it were. If that's not something your friend enjoys then I wouldn't bother with blogging.
There's plenty online blogging community sites and initiatives to put you in touch with other bloggers and wotnot. Obv best to concentrate on blogs in your niche or related niches.
This is applicable for both personal blogs, and ones with some sort of commercial or buisness purpose.

Natural traffic (of people who actually might read your site, rather than dodgy schemes to get junk hits) from search engines only can only be expected from bigger established blogs. To get there you have to do the whole blog reading thing yourself to get your own site active and happening. If your content is quality then word will gradually spread, people will recommend you for this that and the other.
Writing something and expecting the world to come read if you just do a bit of SEO, and nothing else, will just be a source of frustration. Not saying that's what your friend is expecting (indeed, how would I know?) just giving some general advice.

Yep - if the content's good and you're respected for what you're saying by your target audience - you'll get the traffic.  A committed blogger will use twitter and other social notworking networking sites and tools to promote the blog and drive traffic.  SEO is certainly an important element in generating traffic and shouldn't be overlooked, but it's not the be all and end all for a blog.

I don't know how much time and effort tank spent on educating himself about SEO, but it sounds as though he's done his homework and knows a lot more than many marketing people who should know more than they do.  I'd recommend your friend does the same.  Unless of course he has loads of money and wants someone to do it all for him Wink
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2012, 02:10:02 PM »

The blog in question:

http://historicalphotosdaily.blogspot.com/

Now getting on average 500 hits a day. 90% from goggle.com with Zero SEO thought or work on marketing. Most of the links to it though are on forums I post on, only about 100 on other sites i don't use.

Going to try and get some tweaks on it and SOE techniques to try and up this now, it has over a 100 pages of content and a year to filter through to goggle etc.

It currently makes about £1 a day, if I leave it and add no content I assume it might tail off in a year or so.

My problem is getting people to comment, come back and check it alot more than they do. Most traffic is one off.

It does amaze me how the trends of search engines work. I have moved to virtually top of the list for WW1/2 Propaganda posters images. This is generating about 300k search impressions a month, so the conversion rate from goggle is poor.

Any ideas on improving it a little?
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