Did DTD make a bad ruling?

[Colchester Kev]

I agree ... Count your chips out behind the line and put the lot in at once, it aint difficult ffs.

really tilts me when players announce "raise", then put the call in and dwell for ages trying to decide how much to raise.

Correct ruling.

I often do this. Thanks for confirming that my action is tilting. I was worried that I might be wasting my time.

Right, that's it ... I am off to delete my Congrats thread now !!

[Shawrie85]

The 2500 is the call(dealer gives change doesnt he/she?) the 4k is the raise. Verdict=ruling wrong!

CF mentioned he/she had no 100 chips or would of put the 2100 in the pot 1st followed by the 4k, eh?

[thediceman]

By the letter of law "poker" law the ruling is correct. Poker is no environment for employing common sense 

[GreekStein]

I agree ... Count your chips out behind the line and put the lot in at once, it aint difficult ffs.

really tilts me when players announce "raise", then put the call in and dwell for ages trying to decide how much to raise.

Correct ruling.

I often do this. Thanks for confirming that my action is tilting. I was worried that I might be wasting my time.

LOL brilliant.

Fwiw I agree with Camel and Keys here. Why are people being so gay about this - it's clear the guy's intention is to put the 2500 as the amount he has to call before his raise.

[NigDawG]

meh, just f throw all chips in at once ffs

[relaedgc]

I dislike it. I think the 2500 is quite clearly his call, and the second movement is his raise - a move which he is perfectly entitled to make and something many players do. By the time the floor has arrived, I think it's quite obvious what has occurred. It's obviously something that can vary on the situation, but in this case, I think it's quite clear cut. He hasn't announced raise and tried to raise 2100 by 400 has he?

[lazaroonie]

i think by the variety of opnions on this matter, shows that DTD didnt make a 'bad' call, just one you dont happen to agree with.

[doubleup]

Why are people being so gay about this - it's clear the guy's intention is to put the 2500 as the amount he has to call before his raise.

How is it clear?  It only becomes a possibility when he goes back to his stack.  Before that he could just be clueless about minraises.

[thediceman]

Poker rules are there to maintain the integrity of the game. That and allow experienced players to intimerdate inexperienced/new players with cries of "that's a string bet" only for the inexperienced player to reply "what's a string bet".

Welcome to the game of poker.

[doubleup]

Poker rules are there to maintain the integrity of the game. That and allow experienced players to intimerdate inexperienced/new players with cries of "that's a string bet" only for the inexperienced player to reply "what's a string bet".

Welcome to the game of poker.

I know what you are saying, but in most games and sports if newbies break the rules they get penalised, so why should poker be different.

The purpose of the string bet rule is to ensure that a players betting is concluded, so that other players can then act.  It should be updated to stop it being abused but newbies will still be caught out.

[BulldozerD]

i think this ruling is taking rules to an extreme - don't like the ruling at all as it is fairly obvious what the guy is doing.

I don't like it when people raise like this either, a few old timers do it, but ruling seems harsh

[MANTIS01]

Putting the call money in first before putting the raise in is the "I call youz and I raise youz" method of betting

[typhoon13]

Look, rules are there for punters to abide too, if we are not going to play to the rules whats the point in having them.

DTD run there club to a very high level of discipline, that's why they get bums on seats.

Either you want rules, or a free for all, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

[Cf]

Time to quote some rules From DTDs site:

Methods of Raising- In no-limit or pot-limit a raise must be made by (1) placing the full amount in the pot in one motion; or (2) verbally declaring the full amount prior to the initial placement of chips into the pot; or (3) verbally declaring "raise" prior to the placement of the amount to call into the pot and then completing the action with one additional motion.

So announcing raise and putting the call then the raise amount in seperate motions is ok. The obvious difference here is some of us think that the 2500 should be considered a call of the 2100 and others think it's a min raise. The reason I think it's clearly the call amount is that in a standard sitatuation of just facing a bet but not announcing raise we'd never consider the 2500 to be a min raise. Given that raising in 2 motions is allowable I don't see why we'd view the 2500 as anything other than the call amount of the previous bet. Sure, if he just sits there thinking he's done and hasn't noticed the 2100 then he needs to be held to a min raise, but otherwise we should just leave him to it and let him put his raise in.

[gatso]

Time to quote some rules From DTDs site:

Methods of Raising- In no-limit or pot-limit a raise must be made by (1) placing the full amount in the pot in one motion; or (2) verbally declaring the full amount prior to the initial placement of chips into the pot; or (3) verbally declaring "raise" prior to the placement of the amount to call into the pot and then completing the action with one additional motion.

So announcing raise and putting the call then the raise amount in seperate motions is ok. The obvious difference here is some of us think that the 2500 should be considered a call of the 2100 and others think it's a min raise. The reason I think it's clearly the call amount is that in a standard sitatuation of just facing a bet but not announcing raise we'd never consider the 2500 to be a min raise. Given that raising in 2 motions is allowable I don't see why we'd view the 2500 as anything other than the call amount of the previous bet. Sure, if he just sits there thinking he's done and hasn't noticed the 2100 then he needs to be held to a min raise, but otherwise we should just leave him to it and let him put his raise in.

when facing a bet of 2100 is the amount to call a) 2100 b) 2500 c) other?

I'll give you a clue. the answer is not b or c