Did DTD make a bad ruling?

[Cf]

Time to quote some rules From DTDs site:

Methods of Raising- In no-limit or pot-limit a raise must be made by (1) placing the full amount in the pot in one motion; or (2) verbally declaring the full amount prior to the initial placement of chips into the pot; or (3) verbally declaring "raise" prior to the placement of the amount to call into the pot and then completing the action with one additional motion.

So announcing raise and putting the call then the raise amount in seperate motions is ok. The obvious difference here is some of us think that the 2500 should be considered a call of the 2100 and others think it's a min raise. The reason I think it's clearly the call amount is that in a standard sitatuation of just facing a bet but not announcing raise we'd never consider the 2500 to be a min raise. Given that raising in 2 motions is allowable I don't see why we'd view the 2500 as anything other than the call amount of the previous bet. Sure, if he just sits there thinking he's done and hasn't noticed the 2100 then he needs to be held to a min raise, but otherwise we should just leave him to it and let him put his raise in.

when facing a bet of 2100 is the amount to call a) 2100 b) 2500 c) other?

I'll give you a clue. the answer is not b or c

a) obv

but throwing in 2x1000 and 1x500 is a valid way to call this bet. you expect change from the dealer.

[gatso]

you've quoted the rules that make your point a fail. time to give up imo

[Bongo]

The difference between saying raise and throwing in exactly 2100 and 2500 is that the 2500 is ambiguous. Is it the call or have you missed the 2100 and intend to raise that much?

If you throw in 4000 chips after the 2500 as the raise then is the bet now 6100 or 6500?

[thediceman]

you've quoted the rules that make your point a fail. time to give up imo

According to QI a thread ends when someone mentions Nazis.

[gatso]

you've quoted the rules that make your point a fail. time to give up imo nazi

[Bongo]

you've quoted the rules that make your point a fail. time to give up imo

According to QI a thread ends when someone mentions Nazis.

And the person who mentions them loses...

[EvilPie]

I hate to say it but Gatso, despite mentioning Nazis, wins.

CF manages a rule quote which fails in so many ways it has to be considered epic.

[relaedgc]

Right. So unless you've got exactly the correct amount, you can't use this method of raising?

Lol.

[George2Loose]

Anyone who raises this way shouldn't be playing poker anyway

[typhoon13]

Anyone who raises this way shouldn't be playing poker anyway

[robbiebox]

lets change the facts here a moment. It is 2600 (blinds 50/100) to call and the guy has 2x5k chips. He says 'raise', throws one in, then waits 30 seconds and throws another one in.

Ruling now please?

[relaedgc]

Agreed. That's a significantly different scenario.

[MANTIS01]

lets change the facts here a moment. It is 2600 (blinds 50/100) to call and the guy has 2x5k chips. He says 'raise', throws one in, then waits 30 seconds and throws another one in.

Ruling now please?

If a guy is sitting there with 2x5k chips in front of him he should have sorted some change by now. If he doesn't sort some change he's gonna be confusing the whole table with this flicking single 5k chips into the pot at 30 sec intervals business. My ruling would be to tell the player he's lost his 1st 5k chip for making such a hash of his bet. If he makes a fuss he loses his 2nd 5k chip and is asked to leave the game.

[doubleup]

Right. So unless you've got exactly the correct amount, you can't use this method of raising?

Lol.

wtf r u loling about - of course you can't.  I know its sad, but the anal retentives who must place their chips in their special way are fckd if they don't make sure they have the right change.

[Dewi_cool]

How about he says. unfortunatly Mr Dealer I do not have the correct change. however I would like to raise xxx, not to hard is it?