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« on: February 23, 2010, 11:21:39 AM »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8529605.stm

It seems the oil exploration starting around the Falklands has increased tensions again over sovereignty of the islands. Surely no way any British government could consider handing sovereignty of the islands to Argentina.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 11:24:19 AM »

i doubt whether argentina could afford another war. doubt if britain could either come to think of it....
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 12:57:39 PM »

i doubt whether argentina could afford another war. doubt if britain could either come to think of it....

Maybe it will be an old school war, one big field, thousands of soldiers, charge.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 07:59:03 PM »

Think the argies are probably underestimating us. Obviously the oil drilling is a bit of a trigger, but they see the fact that we are heavily commited to Afghan and think we couldn't handle FI at the same time.  Difference is that we have a Garrison permanently stationed there nowadays. They practice regularly for the Argies coming again...

Add to that the Navy already have a presence, have more that can be readily diverted from drug tasks in the Carib (piss up really) and have bugger else to do then we can meet that side of the commitment.

But more importantly it'd be a short term op; bringing units to readiness for it wouldn't be half as much of an issue as the kinda prep that goes into our current commitments. The type of fighting in FI is our billy basics bread n butter taught from day one week one...unlike our ever evolving counter insurgency tactics that are used in the sandy places.

Furthermore we have something they (and every other S American ally of theirs) do not have. We have combat hardened troops. They would be foolish to push their luck. We would make mince meat out of them...

I wouldn't worry there is pretty much zero chance of any war...........
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 08:22:03 PM »

Oh I know. No chance of war. However the above was kinda hypothetical. Would love to kill Argies though as I have never forgiven them for the Hand of God in 86. I was only 11 and it broke my heart lol

hopefully just a joke....
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 08:33:11 PM »

And people wonder why our troops don't get a lot of public support.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2010, 08:38:23 PM »

I hope not, there is already one war being run dreadfully, lets hope we dont get another.
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2010, 08:38:53 PM »

Think the argies are probably underestimating us. Obviously the oil drilling is a bit of a trigger, but they see the fact that we are heavily commited to Afghan and think we couldn't handle FI at the same time.  Difference is that we have a Garrison permanently stationed there nowadays. They practice regularly for the Argies coming again...

Add to that the Navy already have a presence, have more that can be readily diverted from drug tasks in the Carib (piss up really) and have bugger else to do then we can meet that side of the commitment.

But more importantly it'd be a short term op; bringing units to readiness for it wouldn't be half as much of an issue as the kinda prep that goes into our current commitments. The type of fighting in FI is our billy basics bread n butter taught from day one week one...unlike our ever evolving counter insurgency tactics that are used in the sandy places.

Furthermore we have something they (and every other S American ally of theirs) do not have. We have combat hardened troops. They would be foolish to push their luck. We would make mince meat out of them...

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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2010, 08:39:24 PM »

The 'sandy places' bit made me laugh out loud, for longer than I wanted and I folded trips with someone betting into me Sad
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2010, 08:42:54 PM »

And people wonder why our troops don't get a lot of public support.

would hope the lol gave it away as a joke...

Cos they don't get the military humour??

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 08:45:37 PM »

It's all sabre rattling, as pointed out the Argies couldn't afford the war.

They're basically hoping that the UK offer some sweetener from the profits.

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 09:57:01 PM »

I hope not, there is already one war being run dreadfully, lets hope we dont get another.

The way the media is portraying the war is frustrating. Some of the stuff that comes out is out of date by several days, ill informed or mispresented.

With regards to the Taliban/Foreign Fighters we are defeating them and driving them out. Slow progress granted (so far), but it will pick up pace. Believe me the lay of the land is quite different from what is presented to you by the media...after all, NATO winning doesn' exactly sell papers does it?

The biggest problems we actually face are Pakistani indifference/double crossing (slowly changing) and corruption within the country. The war on the ground is slowly being won, as we can now hold the ground thanks to the US uplift and more ANA units coming online..


Firtsy JJ, I didnt know you were servig so wouldnt have been as blunt as that if I had known. I am just a civilian so my take cannot be as incisive as yours but this is what concerns me.

On Decmber 30th Nato commented on an overnight raid that had taken place the day before, its statement said

' As the joint assault force entered the village they came under fire from several buildings and in returning fire killed nine individuals. Several assault rifles, ammunition and ammonium nitrate used in bomb making were discovered'

Then the day after when the above statement was questioned

' the victims were an IED  bomb cell that Afghan an US officials had been developing information against for some time'

This was again questioned and an inquiry into the raid concluded that this is what happened

'A unit of International forces descended from a plane and took ten people from their homes, eight of them were school students, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them all dead.

They were aged 12-18, so that raid killed schoolchildren that were sleeping in their beds and Nato simply made up 2 statements in an attempt to cover this up.

After being given the evidence from the report they then said

'Knowing what we know now, it would probably not have been a justifiable attack.We dont now believe that we busted a major ring'

I think this figure is correct, there have been around 60 civilian casualties in Afghanistan in the last month, 27 of those people were in a bus , returning from work, or nights out, just going about their business when the bus was targetted with an airstrike that killed them all.

Another enquiry is taking place into this incident.

Now as I said, I am just a regular bloke and have no axe to grind but that seems to me to be totaly unacceptable.

Let me ask you this JJ, if a set of Afghans shot 10 schoolchildren in a any city in Britain, it would be called a terrorist attack and we would be appaled by this. Again, if a bus in any city in Britain was blown up by Afghan's it would also be called a terrorost attack. Yet when we do that what followed is a cover up and NATO statements that are past misleading and verging on blatant lies.

The families of those schoolchildren have been offered $2000 in compensation for every child their family lost.

This is why the war doesnt sit easy with a lot of people, tho please understand the general consensus is that out troops are doing a great job and I am sure they are.


Couple this type of story that seems to be  getting uncovered quite often now and couple in the MI5 debacle that has surfaced in the last 2 days and it is starting to sound like we(allies) have been getting  away with quite a lot.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 10:31:00 PM »


This was again questioned and an inquiry into the raid concluded that this is what happened

'A unit of International forces descended from a plane and took ten people from their homes, eight of them were school students, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them all dead.


This inquiry was conducted by Afghan politician Asadullah Wafa

I see no reason to accept Mr. Wafa's version of events over NATO's tbh. Perfectly feasible that his motives for putting that spin on events were political.

I don't think you'll find the results of the joint inquiry in the newspapers. Especially if it's along the lines of, here's some photos of the dead blokes, he's got an awfully bushy beard for a 12 year old innit.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 10:40:12 PM »


This was again questioned and an inquiry into the raid concluded that this is what happened

'A unit of International forces descended from a plane and took ten people from their homes, eight of them were school students, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them all dead.


This inquiry was conducted by Afghan politician Asadullah Wafa

I see no reason to accept Mr. Wafa's version of events over NATO's tbh. Perfectly feasible that his motives for putting that spin on events were political.

I don't think you'll find the results of the joint inquiry in the newspapers. Especially if it's along the lines of, here's some photos of the dead blokes, he's got an awfully bushy beard for a 12 year old innit.

NATO agreed with the staement tho Tank. They concluded this.

' A United Nations investigstion confirmed 8 of the ten victims were students, one was a farmer Abdul Khaliq (18) who was shot when he ran out of a nearby house'

What was even more disconcerting is in NATO's first statment they called it a ''a joint assault force' now it has been proven to be bordering on neglect they say they won't disclose which nations were involved.

Not a good sign for the watching public.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 10:57:01 PM »

If NATO agreed with the results why do they want a joint inquiry?
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