GUKPT Walsall vs Mickey Mahrenholz

[titaniumbean]

I think min raising from EP and then betting less than half the pot into 2 players who have got you well covered is supposed to make you look strong isn't it? I mean you've got 9 high so obv you're trying to implement a strat that makes you look strong. So if you think you look strong what do you think a c-r from the sb means? Either he has you crushed or your look strong strat doesn't work. I would say he has you crushed thou.

LOL level?


The min raise pre is not to rep strength.


That's com.


Actually what would be more funny is if Chris comes on and says it is to rep strength


Things like pot to stack ratio post flop, light 3 betting etc are more important factors that are influencing the preflop sizing i'd guess.

Andy meet Mantis. All his PHA posts are tez

I've never seen his posts and then instantly thought 'that's a level'

[MANTIS01]

I think min raising from EP and then betting less than half the pot into 2 players who have got you well covered is supposed to make you look strong isn't it? I mean you've got 9 high so obv you're trying to implement a strat that makes you look strong. So if you think you look strong what do you think a c-r from the sb means? Either he has you crushed or your look strong strat doesn't work. I would say he has you crushed thou.

LOL level?


The min raise pre is not to rep strength.


That's com.


Actually what would be more funny is if Chris comes on and says it is to rep strength


Things like pot to stack ratio post flop, light 3 betting etc are more important factors that are influencing the preflop sizing i'd guess.

Where did I say the min raise pre reps strength? I said the complete strat put together reps strength. If hero isn't repping strength with this strat what is the strat designed to rep in your opinion?

[titaniumbean]

I think min raising from EP and then betting less than half the pot into 2 players who have got you well covered is supposed to make you look strong isn't it? I mean you've got 9 high so obv you're trying to implement a strat that makes you look strong. So if you think you look strong what do you think a c-r from the sb means? Either he has you crushed or your look strong strat doesn't work. I would say he has you crushed thou.

LOL level?


The min raise pre is not to rep strength.


That's com.


Actually what would be more funny is if Chris comes on and says it is to rep strength


Things like pot to stack ratio post flop, light 3 betting etc are more important factors that are influencing the preflop sizing i'd guess.

Where did I say the min raise pre reps strength? I said the complete strat put together reps strength. If hero isn't repping strength with this strat what is the strat designed to rep in your opinion?

We're not trying to 'rep strength' we're trying to allow for the fact you don't always have the nuts and yet you have to keep on playing so we are trying to keep our strategy consistent and give no information away through it.

[Royal Flush]

Overconfident much Flushy?

Not really pretty sure others were of the same opinion.

[Royal Flush]

I think min raising from EP and then betting less than half the pot into 2 players who have got you well covered is supposed to make you look strong isn't it? I mean you've got 9 high so obv you're trying to implement a strat that makes you look strong. So if you think you look strong what do you think a c-r from the sb means? Either he has you crushed or your look strong strat doesn't work. I would say he has you crushed thou.

LOL level?


The min raise pre is not to rep strength.


That's com.


Actually what would be more funny is if Chris comes on and says it is to rep strength


Things like pot to stack ratio post flop, light 3 betting etc are more important factors that are influencing the preflop sizing i'd guess.

Where did I say the min raise pre reps strength? I said the complete strat put together reps strength. If hero isn't repping strength with this strat what is the strat designed to rep in your opinion?

Balanced ranges yo.

[titaniumbean]

Overconfident much Flushy?

Not really pretty sure others were of the same opinion.

Really though, when roughly half of the day 2 field are competent solid winning online and live players is your edge really that much that you can make such general sweeping statements about how easy it is?


Every time i've in 1k+ events i've been amazing at how many numpties have 1k to lose, this comp really doesn't look the softest.

[AlexMartin]

Dont think its close, think u played this pretty awesome. Hes got a fk load of air/draws here and he wont be calling off.  

Surely if Karl has draws, he's gonna peel here rather than c/r and not be 3-bet blasted out of the pot. If Chris is viewed as a lagtard by Karl then the latter isn't going to c/r draws in a spot where he's liable to be forced to fold. Think Karl would much more likely c/jam the turn in this spot.

meh, think his value range is pretty wide, i also think there are hands in his value range hes gonna raise fold (i know ridic but serious). Hes gotta call 10k into circa 5, hes gonna fold a shit tonne of hands here imo, any weird cr (99/77/ 10's) plus we foldout a lot of air that has us beat, random overs, gutter+over and stuff. Add our equity when called and this is deffo +EV, we can double our stack sometimes without showdown, i reckon at least 50% of the time this cr is air/weird value thats folding/draws that cant call, which is huge. If he has a set or AA or w/e gl to him, he aint got it enough.

[MANTIS01]

I think min raising from EP and then betting less than half the pot into 2 players who have got you well covered is supposed to make you look strong isn't it? I mean you've got 9 high so obv you're trying to implement a strat that makes you look strong. So if you think you look strong what do you think a c-r from the sb means? Either he has you crushed or your look strong strat doesn't work. I would say he has you crushed thou.

LOL level?


The min raise pre is not to rep strength.


That's com.


Actually what would be more funny is if Chris comes on and says it is to rep strength


Things like pot to stack ratio post flop, light 3 betting etc are more important factors that are influencing the preflop sizing i'd guess.

Where did I say the min raise pre reps strength? I said the complete strat put together reps strength. If hero isn't repping strength with this strat what is the strat designed to rep in your opinion?

We're not trying to 'rep strength' we're trying to allow for the fact you don't always have the nuts and yet you have to keep on playing so we are trying to keep our strategy consistent and give no information away through it.

Yeah, pretty interesting break down of our long-term goals utilising this strat. Pretty much misses the point thou. Villain has been at the table only a short time and hero hasn't done anything. So the point is how villain comprehends this strat right now in this 1st hand. I said there's a good chance villain sees our strat as strength all things considered. So I don't know how chatting about the consistency of our strat into the future really helps much when we're trying to deduce the strength of our oppo's hand right now. We look pretty strong for someone not repping strength imo.

[doubleup]

we can double our stack sometimes without showdown, i reckon at least 50% of the time this cr is air/weird value thats folding/draws that cant call, which is huge. If he has a set or AA or w/e gl to him, he aint got it enough.

dont understand what you mean?

There's 5.5k in the middle, hero has about 10k and lets say 30% equity in a 25k pot when called.

As far as the play goes villain has to fold a lot of the time to make it ev+ and surely its never going to be a hugely profitable spot.

Is calling in position very bad?  The hands that fold to a shove surely check the turn and give hero a free card?

[titaniumbean]

Yeah, pretty interesting break down of our long-term goals utilising this strat. Pretty much misses the point thou. Villain has been at the table only a short time and hero hasn't done anything. So the point is how villain comprehends this strat right now in this 1st hand. I said there's a good chance villain sees our strat as strength all things considered. So I don't know how chatting about the consistency of our strat into the future really helps much when we're trying to deduce the strength of our oppo's hand right now. We look pretty strong for someone not repping strength imo.

is villian a tard or been on the moon for a few years?  Any regular poker player is not going to be overawed by the strength of a cbet especially not on a T high dry board. It's not back in the day where a flop check raise is not allowed because it's rude. People play the game; you know, the one where you don't base what you do solely on your cards.

[GreekStein]

The hands that fold to a shove surely check the turn and give hero a free card?

If I had to choose between a free card and the pot, I'd take the pot. Thusly, shoving is always better than calling.

please use the word thusly more

[AlexMartin]

we can double our stack sometimes without showdown, i reckon at least 50% of the time this cr is air/weird value thats folding/draws that cant call, which is huge. If he has a set or AA or w/e gl to him, he aint got it enough.

dont understand what you mean?

There's 5.5k in the middle, hero has about 10k and lets say 30% equity in a 25k pot when called.

As far as the play goes villain has to fold a lot of the time to make it ev+ and surely its never going to be a hugely profitable spot.

Is calling in position very bad?  The hands that fold to a shove surely check the turn and give hero a free card?

type obv, meant increase by 50%

calling is pretty terrible imo, karl will always ship his draws and sometimes his air.

[doubleup]

The hands that fold to a shove surely check the turn and give hero a free card?

If I had to choose between a free card and the pot, I'd take the pot. Thusly, shoving is always better than calling.

And if you had to choose between going out of the tournament and staying in, what would you choose?

[doubleup]

calling is pretty terrible imo, karl will always ship his draws and sometimes his air.

So he's going to ship when we hit as well? 

[MANTIS01]

Yeah, pretty interesting break down of our long-term goals utilising this strat. Pretty much misses the point thou. Villain has been at the table only a short time and hero hasn't done anything. So the point is how villain comprehends this strat right now in this 1st hand. I said there's a good chance villain sees our strat as strength all things considered. So I don't know how chatting about the consistency of our strat into the future really helps much when we're trying to deduce the strength of our oppo's hand right now. We look pretty strong for someone not repping strength imo.

is villian a tard or been on the moon for a few years?  Any regular poker player is not going to be overawed by the strength of a cbet especially not on a T high dry board. It's not back in the day where a flop check raise is not allowed because it's rude. People play the game; you know, the one where you don't base what you do solely on your cards.

Oh ok, so in this specific hand you think villain is c/r bluffing because poker is a game where you don't need the cards to make the moves. Good theory.