GUKPT Walsall vs Mickey Mahrenholz

[MANTIS01]

Yep there's balancing our range and playing the situation. Regards playing this particular situation I don't think the FE is near what you think it is. I don't think villain is pure bluffing here and pushing will pick up a call. I don't believe most would jam the top of their range and I give credit to villain to see that. We push cos villain prob hasn't hit this board and wont be able to call and I think villain will see that quite clearly.

The fact that we can only balance our range by pushing strength later in a similar spot means we have been all-in in this spot hoping to bink a card to stay in.

You give credit to villain for spotting our bluff jam but he still needs something decent to call our shove. He may put us on a semi bluff which means he can call fairly light. There aren't many draws out there though. 79 and 9J are it so unless villain can put us specifically on one of those hands what does he think we're spewing with?

He either thinks we are a complete spewtard who's got air or we've got a very strong holding.

We're actually making a very well disguised semi bluff here. Villain has no idea what we've got. We could have air or a monster. Actually we've got neither but that's his problem to work out.

We also have the benefit that he's probably missed the board anyway so will fold. He probably folds small pairs as well.

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

[titaniumbean]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

[MC]

If we shove we are risking ~10k to win ~4.5k which is a very reasonable risk vs reward ratio. Villain is getting less than 2:1 and can forseeably fold. Ok it sucks when he has a set or J9s, but, meh, I think shoving is probs the best option...

[MANTIS01]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

What's that? Villain will have a hand some % of the time and he will not have a hand some % of the time. Yeah, that's about the size of it. I kinda figure our job is to decipher what % of the time he does have a hand really. By the way, I think your attitude in this thread has been a bit of a joke. You sound like a Greekstein fanboy. This should be a worrying and rather depressing revelation for you.

[titaniumbean]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

What's that? Villain will have a hand some % of the time and he will not have a hand some % of the time. Yeah, that's about the size of it. I kinda figure our job is to decipher what % of the time he does have a hand really. By the way, I think your attitude in this thread has been a bit of a joke. You sound like a Greekstein fanboy. This should be a worrying and rather depressing revelation for you.

That is below the belt!!


I hadn't read your sentence after the one I've just rushed to highlight and refute. Nice read.

[GreekStein]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

What's that? Villain will have a hand some % of the time and he will not have a hand some % of the time. Yeah, that's about the size of it. I kinda figure our job is to decipher what % of the time he does have a hand really. By the way, I think your attitude in this thread has been a bit of a joke. You sound like a Greekstein fanboy. This should be a worrying and rather depressing revelation for you.

No, your advice is just absolutely terrible. Pretty much always too. I just highlight it a lot. Think its important that people learning the game or who aren't familiar with PHA know your advice is generally poo.

Have a nice weekend bud.

[MANTIS01]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

What's that? Villain will have a hand some % of the time and he will not have a hand some % of the time. Yeah, that's about the size of it. I kinda figure our job is to decipher what % of the time he does have a hand really. By the way, I think your attitude in this thread has been a bit of a joke. You sound like a Greekstein fanboy. This should be a worrying and rather depressing revelation for you.

No, your advice is just absolutely terrible. Pretty much always too. I just highlight it a lot. Think its important that people learning the game or who aren't familiar with PHA know your advice is generally poo.

Have a nice weekend bud.

Here you go my friend I’ve got some advice for you…and it’s not poker advice either…so hopefully you won’t think it’s tez. Whether you choose to act upon it or not is entirely up to you.

Anyway, I think you should try and find yourself a girlfriend as soon as possible. I think if you could manage to get some regular sex in your life, indeed any sex at all in your life, you wouldn't get so anxious about other people's poker opinions. Releasing all that pent up frustration would probably allow you to express yourself in a more congenial way in day to day life. Now I’ve seen a couple of photos of you on this forum so I know you face some challenges when it comes to developing relationships with women, some challenges bigger than others in fact, but I reckon there must be a young lady out there, ravaged by loneliness, who would find your company appealing. One thing though, when you meet her don’t blow it by allowing her to discover you’re a geeky little internet troll because she wont find that sexy at all.

[Dubai]

Why are there 5 pages for a basic hand that only the Original Poster can answer because its based purely on his interpretation of the % of times Karl is raise folding and the % of times Karl is raise calling- this can only be determined by knowing how Karl perceives OP, table dynamics and how good Karl is. Then it requires a simple bit of maths to tell us our overall equity and requires no discussion.

[EvilPie]

Here we have 5 pages for a basic hand that only the Original Poster can answer because its based purely on his interpretation of the % of times Karl is raise folding and the % of times Karl is raise calling- this can only be determined by knowing how Karl perceives OP, table dynamics and how good Karl is. Then it requires a simple bit of maths to tell us our overall equity and requires no discussion.

Discuss:

FYP

[NigDawG]

Why are there 5 pages for a basic hand that only the Original Poster can answer because its based purely on his interpretation of the % of times Karl is raise folding and the % of times Karl is raise calling- this can only be determined by knowing how Karl perceives OP, table dynamics and how good Karl is. Then it requires a simple bit of maths to tell us our overall equity and requires no discussion.

flame wars for 3/4 this tho innit

[Cf]

I do love Mantis/Greekstein posts

[NigDawG]

I do love Mantis/Greekstein posts

meh not in pha tho imo should have a sub section for fights

[Dubai]

Anyone suggesting bet folding probably thinks its ok to stack off with T9s here tho, and our hand is better than weak top pair.

[Cf]

I do love Mantis/Greekstein posts

meh not in pha tho imo should have a sub section for fights

True - mods, make it happen.

[StuartHopkin]

I do give credit to villain. People are banging on about how they've spotted a good SPR jamming spot considering how the board's come down like it's a special secret nobody else can see. Yet nobody considers whether villain has manufactured such a situation for them to spot. Villain isn't blind to the situation he's creating. So why is he creating it? Villain isn't raising without a plan right? So he's either raising to call or raising to fold. If he's raising to fold he's bluffing because he thinks hero is weak. Why does he think hero is weak? Is it because he views hero as someone who min raises from ep and takes weak stabs at pots with no hands when he gets short stacked? I also give villain credit for not raising to "find out where he stands" or betting for info. So what's he raising for? Just some random bluff right?

omg, get over the preflop minraise.


villain some % of the time will be raising because it's hard for us to hit the board, some % of the time he will have air or a hand he cant call it off with and will fold, some % of the time he will have a hand he lol snaps a shove with.


stop levelling yourself before you've even started.

What's that? Villain will have a hand some % of the time and he will not have a hand some % of the time. Yeah, that's about the size of it. I kinda figure our job is to decipher what % of the time he does have a hand really. By the way, I think your attitude in this thread has been a bit of a joke. You sound like a Greekstein fanboy. This should be a worrying and rather depressing revelation for you.

No, your advice is just absolutely terrible. Pretty much always too. I just highlight it a lot. Think its important that people learning the game or who aren't familiar with PHA know your advice is generally poo.

Have a nice weekend bud.

Here you go my friend I’ve got some advice for you…and it’s not poker advice either…so hopefully you won’t think it’s tez. Whether you choose to act upon it or not is entirely up to you.

Anyway, I think you should try and find yourself a girlfriend as soon as possible. I think if you could manage to get some regular sex in your life, indeed any sex at all in your life, you wouldn't get so anxious about other people's poker opinions. Releasing all that pent up frustration would probably allow you to express yourself in a more congenial way in day to day life. Now I’ve seen a couple of photos of you on this forum so I know you face some challenges when it comes to developing relationships with women, some challenges bigger than others in fact, but I reckon there must be a young lady out there, ravaged by loneliness, who would find your company appealing. One thing though, when you meet her don’t blow it by allowing her to discover you’re a geeky little internet troll because she wont find that sexy at all.

Post of the year so far in my opinion!
Awesome work Mantis!