Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[Jon MW]

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Would like to see the studies showing the accuracy of these sniffer dogs when they're brought in to do what it is claimed they can do in terms of locating spots where dead bodies were located in the past.

They're good - here's an article which gives a good overview of their work here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7263355.stm

But the summary that their handler gave was:
"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."

There's tons more stuff - but nearly all of it is based on the dog alerting of something and ignores the fact that the official report was that it can only be used as corroborating evidence if any other evidence is found to support it.

The blood in the car is the only other evidence that was found, and both together weren't convincing.

[kinboshi]

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Would like to see the studies showing the accuracy of these sniffer dogs when they're brought in to do what it is claimed they can do in terms of locating spots where dead bodies were located in the past.

They're good - here's an article which gives a good overview of their work here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7263355.stm

But the summary that their handler gave was:
"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence."

There's tons more stuff - but nearly all of it is based on the dog alerting of something and ignores the fact that the official report was that it can only be used as corroborating evidence if any other evidence is found to support it.

The blood in the car is the only other evidence that was found, and both together weren't convincing.

That's a BBC article.  I want a link to the scientific studies.  BBC doesn't link to them, which is a ridiculous policy of theirs, as discussed here.

[Jon MW]

That's why I said it was an overview

[EvilPie]

The trouble with the dogs is that they are sent in 3 months afterwards.....and by implicating the hire car, rented 3 weeks after the incident,makes for a good story,but seriously........

Garry mcCann wrote in his blog that 3 weeks after the event  his fridge broke in his rented apartment so he took the fridge down to the local dump to get rid of it!!!  was the body of madeleine move on that day???  and how has blood got on the keys and hair and blood in the boot of the car???

Plus How many people on here have rented an apartment on holiday?

I think all of us have

so if you were on holiday and your fridge broke would you

1) ring the person who ownes the place and tell them the fridge is broke  and say you would like it replaced
2)  take it in your own hands to remove the fridge and go and dump it in a tip

let me guess 100% would pick number 1

Did they say how long he rented the apartment for?

If he's there on a 2 week holiday then this is very suspicious. If he's on a 6 month or annual lease then he might well own the fridge and be responsible for sorting it out himself.

[ripple11]

The trouble with the dogs is that they are sent in 3 months afterwards.....and by implicating the hire car, rented 3 weeks after the incident,makes for a good story,but seriously........

Garry mcCann wrote in his blog that 3 weeks after the event  his fridge broke in his rented apartment so he took the fridge down to the local dump to get rid of it!!!  was the body of madeleine move on that day???  and how has blood got on the keys and hair and blood in the boot of the car???

Plus How many people on here have rented an apartment on holiday?

I think all of us have

so if you were on holiday and your fridge broke would you

1) ring the person who ownes the place and tell them the fridge is broke  and say you would like it replaced
2)  take it in your own hands to remove the fridge and go and dump it in a tip

let me guess 100% would pick number 1

Did they say how long he rented the apartment for?

If he's there on a 2 week holiday then this is very suspicious. If he's on a 6 month or annual lease then he might well own the fridge and be responsible for sorting it out himself.

I couldn't find the reference in his blog....but he did say the owner being very helpful/understanding of the situation, so he was on friendly terms....maybe a new fridge was being delivered,and he was being helpful!?

If the body was in that fridge I'll match the Mantis 20 million to one

[MANTIS01]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

I think the motive that needs to be analysed is the one that leads parents to find their daughter dead on holiday and cover it up with a kidnap story before dumping her body in a fridge at the tip. In my opinion if you support the line that 100% of people on holiday don't dump fridges then you should also suppost the line that 100% of people just phone the police when an accident happens. Personally I would be really interested in people's opinions on why the parents would do something so weird and crazy, so so much crazier than throwing out a broken fridge.

[GreekStein]

I would say that the motive for Gerry McCann to take a knackered fridge to the dump was to dispose of it. People take broken stuff to the dump all the time. Maybe the owner asked him to take it. Maybe he wanted to do something useful. I think speculation about the motive for dumping a bust fridge doesn't connect someone to responsibility for a killing.

So you're implying this is perfectly normal? Because it really isn't!

Yes people take stuff to dumps all the time, not usually things that aren't their own property and especially not when they are on holiday.

LOL @ the owner of the property asking him to do it.

If you don't think this is just a bit weird then you're off you're rocker.

P.s are you going to be at the blonde bash?

[LeedsRhodesy]

The trouble with the dogs is that they are sent in 3 months afterwards.....and by implicating the hire car, rented 3 weeks after the incident,makes for a good story,but seriously........

Garry mcCann wrote in his blog that 3 weeks after the event  his fridge broke in his rented apartment so he took the fridge down to the local dump to get rid of it!!!  was the body of madeleine move on that day???  and how has blood got on the keys and hair and blood in the boot of the car???

Plus How many people on here have rented an apartment on holiday?

I think all of us have

so if you were on holiday and your fridge broke would you

1) ring the person who ownes the place and tell them the fridge is broke  and say you would like it replaced
2)  take it in your own hands to remove the fridge and go and dump it in a tip

let me guess 100% would pick number 1

Did they say how long he rented the apartment for?

If he's there on a 2 week holiday then this is very suspicious. If he's on a 6 month or annual lease then he might well own the fridge and be responsible for sorting it out himself.

I couldn't find the reference in his blog....but he did say the owner being very helpful/understanding of the situation, so he was on friendly terms....maybe a new fridge was being delivered,and he was being helpful!?

If the body was in that fridge I'll match the Mantis 20 million to one

not for 1 min do i think the body was in the fridge, i think the body was at the dump and when garry went to dump the fridge he moved the body and thats how blood and hair as got in the back of the hire car



Plus on the night She was taken/killed when did gary go to the trouble of deleting all his calls in his mobile phone log???

[ripple11]

Looked through the blog....can't find any ref to moving a fridge...do you know the date of the blog entry?

Where does it say he deleated his phone log?

[LeedsRhodesy]

This is going to be a long thread, I find it hard to believe they had anything to do with it, their own daughter ffs..........

As if that matters to a murderer.

You think if Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jeff Dahmer etc. had had kids they couldn't have done them any harm?

I'm not trying to compare the McCann parents to these mercilous serial killers btw just saying that the "she was their own daughter" thing doesn't mean anything.

If they're killers they're killers and their victims could be anyone.

i dont have time to look at the blog now to find it but i will asap

about the missing calls

 http://themccanngallery.blogspot.com/2009/10/lies-of-kate-and-gerry-mccann-deleted.html 

 http://truthofthelie.com/the-book/chapter-3/ 

[LeedsRhodesy]

if this would off happend in the Uk and they had gone to the pub across the road and all the FACTS were the same the McCanns would both be in prison now!!!

[LeedsRhodesy]

Looked through the blog....can't find any ref to moving a fridge...do you know the date of the blog entry?

Where does it say he deleated his phone log?

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080403043105AAUCrzy         Garry maccan remove the fridge part from his blog Why would you do that??

[kinboshi]

Looked through the blog....can't find any ref to moving a fridge...do you know the date of the blog entry?

Where does it say he deleated his phone log?

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080403043105AAUCrzy         Garry maccan remove the fridge part from his blog Why would you do that??

LOL - good source.

[LeedsRhodesy]

Its a well know fact he took and dumped a fridge from the apartment what has never been found, i have not read the full book yet that stu posted so not sure if it says anything in there about it

[StuartHopkin]

I dont think it is mentioned in the book.

I dont think the body would have been in the fridge, but again if people want to offer 20,000,000-1 i will be having a tenner as that bet is valooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.