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thetank
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 02:54:48 PM »
Quote from: EvilPie on March 16, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Colchester Kev on March 16, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
TBH if it was my kid that he abused, he wouldn't have had enough time to reach for his wallet !
Not knocking this Kev because I'm of the same opinion but is this in the kid's best interests?
It might make you feel better but is it going to help the child's rehab if his dad's locked away for 20 years for murder or 2 years for GBH or whatever?
From a wide angle that looks at all decent newspaper reading people and their paedophillic counterparts, game theory says you've got to bash a few in the head to balance your range.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 04:04:53 PM »
Quote from: thetank on March 16, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
From a wide angle that looks at all decent newspaper reading people and their paedophillic counterparts, game theory says you've got to bash a few in the head to balance your range.
no need to balance your range if your keeping your hush money demands the same each time. just always make it 18k
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 04:50:09 PM »
Quote from: EvilPie on March 16, 2010, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Bongo on March 16, 2010, 02:30:07 PM
I read once that a high proportion of kids who are abused become abusers themselves. If that's true then it seems that the parents actions are indefensible on 3 counts:
1) They leave the original offender free to abuse again.
2) They leave their child with a higher chance of become an abuser and no extra help - which (3) also leaves children of the future a bit more likely to be abused.
1) They didn't leave him free. He went to court and pleaded guilty but got let off. It was the justice system that left him free to abuse again.
2) How do we know they haven't sought help? Maybe that's what they're using some of the 18k for, private help?
3) Not their problem unless it's their child who is the one doing the abusing. As I said in (2) we don't know that they haven't sought help.
Erm, as Bongo pointed out, they did 'leave him free'. He paid the £18K, moved to Birmingham where he was free to do as he chose. Of course you want to protect your own family, but there's also a social responsibility to help protect others too. Otherwise why would any bother being a witness in a case where the victim wasn't a member of their family. I'm sure we'd all do our damnedest to make sure a child-abuser is successfully prosecuted and hopefully removed from situations where they can abuse other children. The justice system only came into play years later when details of what happened became apparent to non-family members.
There's an outcry (quite rightly) with this case by most, but the institutionalised child-abuse within the catholic church has gone one for decades and yet has largely been left to the church itself to manage. It's a disgrace that the church has protected and even facilitated child-abusers, and in most cases they seem to be operating outside the law (of the countries where the crimes have been taking place).
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Re: A terrible case
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Quote from: kinboshi on March 16, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
There's an outcry (quite rightly) with this case by most, but the institutionalised child-abuse within the catholic church has gone one for decades
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Geo the Sarge
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 06:38:40 PM »
Quote from: EvilPie on March 16, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Colchester Kev on March 16, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
TBH if it was my kid that he abused, he wouldn't have had enough time to reach for his wallet !
Not knocking this Kev because I'm of the same opinion
but is this in the kid's best interests?
It might make you feel better but is it going to help the child's rehab if his dad's locked away for 20 years for murder or 2 years for GBH or whatever?
Difficult to quantify Matt, however my thinking on this is that I would like to think that any of my boys would be able to live their lives knowing their father stood up for them rather than let down.
What we don't know is what type of relationship this lad now has with his parents, for all we know it may be a ruined relationship as he felt let down by them.
FWIW, I would have absolutely no second thoughts of taking the same course of action as Kev if ever any my sons or grandchildren were subject to anything like this.
I also believe that the parents in this case should also have been prosecuted for attempting to pervert (no pun intended) the course of justice.
Geo
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 07:12:06 PM »
Quote from: Geo the Sarge on March 16, 2010, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: EvilPie on March 16, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Colchester Kev on March 16, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
TBH if it was my kid that he abused, he wouldn't have had enough time to reach for his wallet !
Not knocking this Kev because I'm of the same opinion
but is this in the kid's best interests?
It might make you feel better but is it going to help the child's rehab if his dad's locked away for 20 years for murder or 2 years for GBH or whatever?
Difficult to quantify Matt, however my thinking on this is that I would like to think that any of my boys would be able to live their lives knowing their father stood up for them rather than let down.
What we don't know is what type of relationship this lad now has with his parents, for all we know it may be a ruined relationship as he felt let down by them.
FWIW, I would have absolutely no second thoughts of taking the same course of action as Kev if ever any my sons or grandchildren were subject to anything like this.
I also believe that the parents in this case should also have been prosecuted for attempting to pervert (no pun intended) the course of justice.
Geo
What Geo said.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 07:19:26 PM »
Quote from: Rod Paradise on March 16, 2010, 07:12:06 PM
Quote from: Geo the Sarge on March 16, 2010, 06:38:40 PM
Quote from: EvilPie on March 16, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Quote from: Colchester Kev on March 16, 2010, 02:43:56 PM
TBH if it was my kid that he abused, he wouldn't have had enough time to reach for his wallet !
Not knocking this Kev because I'm of the same opinion
but is this in the kid's best interests?
It might make you feel better but is it going to help the child's rehab if his dad's locked away for 20 years for murder or 2 years for GBH or whatever?
Difficult to quantify Matt, however my thinking on this is that I would like to think that any of my boys would be able to live their lives knowing their father stood up for them rather than let down.
What we don't know is what type of relationship this lad now has with his parents, for all we know it may be a ruined relationship as he felt let down by them.
FWIW, I would have absolutely no second thoughts of taking the same course of action as Kev if ever any my sons or grandchildren were subject to anything like this.
I also believe that the parents in this case should also have been prosecuted for attempting to pervert (no pun intended) the course of justice.
Geo
What Geo said.
Yep.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 09:25:09 PM »
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actually I've decided. I'd take the 18k then report him
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or take the £18k and then pay someone to take him out, I suspect you would even get change out of the £18k.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 16, 2010, 11:53:20 PM »
EvilPie's posts in this thread are truly amazing and I cannot believe anyone could possibly hold these views.
He must be levelling.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 03:02:09 AM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 16, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
EvilPie's posts in this thread are truly amazing and I cannot believe anyone could possibly hold these views.
He must be levelling.
Not levelling mate no.
I was merely putting across possibilities in order to facilitate discussion. Thread is pretty crap if everybody just says "I think the parents are w****rs for taking the money."
I'm sure they had their reasons, none of us know what those reasons were. If you just want a "let's rip in to some people who someone's read about in the paper" thread I can join in that too.
If you want to know what I would honestly do in their situation then I can assure it would not involve taking 18k to keep schtum. It would involve some very large, very nasty acquaintances of mine and wouldn't end nicely for the paedophile who'd caused harm to one of my loved ones.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 07:01:20 AM »
Quote from: EvilPie on March 17, 2010, 03:02:09 AM
Quote from: The Camel on March 16, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
EvilPie's posts in this thread are truly amazing and I cannot believe anyone could possibly hold these views.
He must be levelling.
Not levelling mate no.
I was merely putting across possibilities in order to facilitate discussion. Thread is pretty crap if everybody just says "I think the parents are w****rs for taking the money."
I'm sure they had their reasons, none of us know what those reasons were. If you just want a "let's rip in to some people who someone's read about in the paper" thread I can join in that too.
If you want to know what I would honestly do in their situation then I can assure it would not involve taking 18k to keep schtum. It would involve some very large, very nasty acquaintances of mine and wouldn't end nicely for the paedophile who'd caused harm to one of my loved ones.
I generally don't like to post on these types of thread as I often make inappropriate jokes and dont really want to cause offence however whilst I dont agree with what the parents did I can understand why somebody might take the money.
1) We don't know what the guy has actually done
2) He was a family friend, this could have influenced the decision
3) £18,000 may not be a lot of money to many on here but to them this could have made a huge difference.
4) He quit his job. If punished by the law what would they have actually done to a first time offender?
We've had stories in the past where religious types have 'forgiven' offenders, this could also be a factor however i doubt it in this case.
Personally I dont think i could do it, but that doesnt mean I cant comprehend why somebody would take the money.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 08:58:08 AM »
Quote from: EvilPie on March 17, 2010, 03:02:09 AM
Quote from: The Camel on March 16, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
EvilPie's posts in this thread are truly amazing and I cannot believe anyone could possibly hold these views.
He must be levelling.
Not levelling mate no.
I was merely putting across possibilities in order to facilitate discussion. Thread is pretty crap if everybody just says "I think the parents are w****rs for taking the money."
I'm sure they had their reasons, none of us know what those reasons were. If you just want a "let's rip in to some people who someone's read about in the paper" thread I can join in that too.
If you want to know what I would honestly do in their situation then I can assure it would not involve taking 18k to keep schtum. It would involve some very large, very nasty acquaintances of mine and wouldn't end nicely for the paedophile who'd caused harm to one of my loved ones.
This is a far more believeable reaction.
I would guesstimate 75% of parents would go to police, 25% would exact retribution and about 0.1% would do what these parents did.
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 08:58:49 AM »
Quote from: sovietsong on March 17, 2010, 07:01:20 AM
Quote from: EvilPie on March 17, 2010, 03:02:09 AM
Quote from: The Camel on March 16, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
EvilPie's posts in this thread are truly amazing and I cannot believe anyone could possibly hold these views.
He must be levelling.
Not levelling mate no.
I was merely putting across possibilities in order to facilitate discussion. Thread is pretty crap if everybody just says "I think the parents are w****rs for taking the money."
I'm sure they had their reasons, none of us know what those reasons were. If you just want a "let's rip in to some people who someone's read about in the paper" thread I can join in that too.
If you want to know what I would honestly do in their situation then I can assure it would not involve taking 18k to keep schtum. It would involve some very large, very nasty acquaintances of mine and wouldn't end nicely for the paedophile who'd caused harm to one of my loved ones.
I generally don't like to post on these types of thread as I often make inappropriate jokes and dont really want to cause offence however whilst I dont agree with what the parents did I can understand why somebody might take the money.
1) We don't know what the guy has actually done
2) He was a family friend, this could have influenced the decision
3) £18,000 may not be a lot of money to many on here but to them this could have made a huge difference.
4) He quit his job. If punished by the law what would they have actually done to a first time offender?
We've had stories in the past where religious types have 'forgiven' offenders, this could also be a factor however i doubt it in this case.
Personally I dont think i could do it, but that doesnt mean I cant comprehend why somebody would take the money.
Sov, you aren't a parent are you?
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 09:28:13 AM »
Sov is the daddy. Does that count?
Seriously though, everyone on this thread with possible exception Claw is talking out of their arse. Why does the man need babies to join in?
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Re: A terrible case
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March 17, 2010, 09:48:51 AM »
ban Tighty for trolling imo
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