Not Peak Practice.

[TightEnd]

It's a small live freezeout, the first time I have played for ages and woefully short of practice and instincts

Two tables remain, five paid

Average is 15,000

Blinds are 300-600


Hero is SB, 22,000

Villain is BB 25,000


Cut off limps for 600.

Hero finds  in the blinds and makes it 4,800 (terrible raise size, I think...an AK oop don't want a call bet borne of lack of confidence)

BB flats

Cut off folds

BB is eviledna, Edna Adams. Experienced player, but can be a touch unconventional. Overplaying a hand or two, flatting monsters at others. 

Just seen in the last orbit, to give some context, she flat an utg raise in mp with AQ, then shove all in over a 3 bet from the cut off and find herself in a 100xbb all in coup versus 88 at level 4

Flop 

how to proceed and why?

Bet/Fold

Bet/Call Any

Check/Call

Check/Fold 


What is the sensible raise size pre?

[GreekStein]

1500 pre Rich (2.5x is fine). We now have no room to really manoevre. I prob check/fold.

[TheChipPrince]

1500 pre Rich (2.5x is fine). We now have no room to really manoevre. I prob check/fold.

Theres already been a limper...  2500, wouldnt get too attached if we completely miss, as we have...

Don't mind completing on occassions and coming up the blindside if we hit the flop...

[EvilPie]

I bump it up a little bit more pre because of the limper. Probably go to 2k hoping to induce a 3 bet behind us.

Once you go to 4800 nobody is 3 betting with a worse hand and we've narrowed our range very nicely for our opponent.

As played I now go totally passive and hope to get to showdown. If we hit we may try a value bet on the end.

If we hit a flush draw on the turn we could semi bluff shove assuming there has been no flop action which would price our oppo in to call.

[EvilPie]

1500 pre Rich (2.5x is fine). We now have no room to really manoevre. I prob check/fold.

Theres already been a limper...  2500, wouldnt get too attached if we completely miss, as we have...

Don't mind completing on occassions and coming up the blindside if we hit the flop...

I'll often mix this in from the SB as well. Very well disguised when it hits.

[GreekStein]

1500 pre Rich (2.5x is fine). We now have no room to really manoevre. I prob check/fold.

Theres already been a limper...  2500, wouldnt get too attached if we completely miss, as we have...

Don't mind completing on occassions and coming up the blindside if we hit the flop...

I really should read these damn OP's properly.

Didn't see there was a limper and I thought we were in position. I just do a check here most of the time and get paid when we hit an ace or a king on the flop.

[gatso]

I really should read these damn OP's properly.

yes you should

Hero is SB, 22,000

I just do a check here most of the time

[BulldozerD]

raise to 2k maybe slightly more pre - 8x-ing it is very extreme. I have limped behind in spots like this before (but experience wasn't good lol) and wouldn't here.

As played do a check

[outragous76]

as played check fold

there are arguements for a c bet if you think that the villain is going to put you on a very narrow range

[StuartHopkin]

What are you all taking about 2350 pre is perfection

I probs spew my stack here now.

[GreekStein]

as played check fold

there are arguements for a c bet if you think that the villain is going to put you on a very narrow range

Not sure we can argue for a c-bet vs an opponent who calls an 8x pre.

[TheChipPrince]

as played check fold

there are arguements for a c bet if you think that the villain is going to put you on a very narrow range

Not sure we can argue for a c-bet vs an opponent who calls an 8x pre.

If oppo is the sort to flat 8x pre, is she not the unconventional sort who will just give up flop if shes complettly missed too?

[GreekStein]

as played check fold

there are arguements for a c bet if you think that the villain is going to put you on a very narrow range

Not sure we can argue for a c-bet vs an opponent who calls an 8x pre.

If oppo is the sort to flat 8x pre, is she not the unconventional sort who will just give up flop if shes complettly missed too?

What are you going to c-bet?

Just saying I'm not a fan of spewing more chips vs a station on this board. Cant see them folding any kind of top pair/overpair hand/any draw etc..

[TightEnd]

Anyway I've got myself into all sorts of problems by the bad raise size

I c-bet, she shoves. I've invested half my stack. I spew off. Still, spewing off is 2010 compared to playing likes its 2005.

Marvellous.

Thanks for the confirmation/advice lol

[Longy]

2k-2.4k is fine preflop, the hand is perfect demonstration of why making it more sucks. As you now have a horrible psr (pot to stack ratio) and are oop.

As played I am just check giving up against this opponent, if we had made it smaller a cbet would be fine.